Despite a couple of moments sess has 70 odd prem games and to be honest not been very good (for us previously or spurs). ESR similar amount in prem has shown he can do it at one of the top clubs in Europe. Nelson, mainly due injuries, just hasn’t ever had enough games to show if his moments can make him a consistent prem player. I’d also question where he plays, not good enough defensively as a LB, doesn’t influence games enough as a wide attacker. -- SW6.doc

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Date Posted: Tuesday, March 18, 09:22:15pm
Author: Henry1879
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Subject: Despite a couple of moments sess has 70 odd prem games and to be honest not been very good (for us previously or spurs). ESR similar amount in prem has shown he can do it at one of the top clubs in Europe. Nelson, mainly due injuries, just hasn’t ever had enough games to show if his moments can make him a consistent prem player. I’d also question where he plays, not good enough defensively as a LB, doesn’t influence games enough as a wide attacker.
In reply to: eganonoa 's message, "It is odd. The perception of these three players at the start of the season was that ESR & Nelson were stars coming off injury-hit seasons who just needed to find regular playing time, while Sess was an injury prone player whose top-level career was potentially over. ESR was sold for 30m, Nelson touted as 20m+, Sess struggling to find a home for free. Sess had all last season out and, as a full-back, is in a less prized role. But that magnitude of difference in perception seems strange now." on Tuesday, March 18, 08:15:08pm

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Last bit there applicable at Spurs, but not at all so far in his return here! Very small sample of course. (NT) -- b+w g., Tuesday, March 18, 10:32:57pm (68.52.159.143.dyn.plus.net/143.159.52.68)
- Small sample definitely, but if you look at the one season before this that ESR & Sess each had a full Premier League run they are very close: e.g. 8 goal contributions for Sess to ESR's 12, but each with Expected contribs of 8. Sess' time in the Championship FAR out did that of ESR at Huddersfield. Sess' & Nelson's respective times at Hoffenheim are about equal whereas Sess' best PL season is much better than Nelson's. I think we're seeing over-expectations of ESR/Nelson and under- of Sess (NT) -- eganonoa, Tuesday, March 18, 11:10:00pm (pool-108-18-149-21.washdc.fios.verizon.net/108.18.149.21)
  - If the 18/19 season is the one you are referring to in terms of the 8 goal contributions, its also worth pointing out that, at the time, (throughout that whole season) he was 18 years old. He was also being played as an inverted right winger for much of it, which seemed to destroy his confidence. Phil Foden, a year older, in his breakthrough season, got 7 contributions. For a team that beat everyone, every week. (NT) -- Same Old Story, Wednesday, March 19, 10:18:41am (webdefence-pool-02.cluster-a.forcepoint.net/85.115.52.202)
    - I’m glad it was not just me that remembers Parker playing him inverted. His confidence was ebbing by that point but playing him inverted just about destroyed it. The conundrum with Sess is whether he is a good enough footballer to justify a place if his goal scoring dries up. I guess we won’t know until he is given more game time (NT) -- f bloke, Wednesday, March 19, 10:46:39am (host86-134-8-227.range86-134.btcentralplus.com/86.134.8.227)
      - It was a double whammy, wasn't it. Started with going from a manager who trusted him and developed him, to Ranieri, who publicly called him out, hauled him off at half time 3 times, to Parker, who played him in a completely alien position. It's no wonder it all went a bit wrong. (NT) -- Same Old Story, Wednesday, March 19, 11:31:33am (webdefence-pool-02.cluster-a.forcepoint.net/85.115.52.202)
        This is what I mean by there being an unbalance in the expectations. Questions the right position to play in (see questions over ESR playing as a wide forward or No. 10), age, confidence and fitness apply equally to all three, yet if we're basing our upside calculations on past form on balance that points towards Sess. Yet the pre-season expectations were wildly different. I suppose this is more a way of saying that ESR needs more time and patience than it says anything about how we handle Sess. (NT) -- eganonoa, Wednesday, March 19, 01:17:50pm (pool-108-18-149-21.washdc.fios.verizon.net/108.18.149.21)
        Yes, agree with all that, albeit, i've been saying for quite a while that i think we've slightly under-utilised Sess this season. I understand why to some extent, but i think part of the problem is that he only seemed to be considered LB cover for the first 4 months or so, (when we have a LB who plays every minute) whereas recently we've seen his quality as a wide midfield option. When we've needed a late goal, I think he's been an option we should have used more. (NT) -- Same Old Story, Wednesday, March 19, 03:20:01pm (webdefence-pool-02.cluster-a.forcepoint.net/85.115.52.202)
        Very much agree, though that's definitely not something I've been saying for a while as I most definitely succumbed to the thinking that he was a major reclamation project whereas ESR was a budding star. A post below made me realize that Sess reminds me of BDR; a multipositional tool whose good for a goal. My suspicion is that that's his floor, with Iwobi-levels of upside. (NT) -- eganonoa, Wednesday, March 19, 05:54:10pm (pool-108-18-149-21.washdc.fios.verizon.net/108.18.149.21)

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