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• Alboy was very positive, but didn't lecture. Honest was very positive, but also kept lecturing. That got too much, and people said so. Alboy has returned, just being positive. But now he's telling people off again. The post about Leno gives facts to suggest his performance was markedly better last season and even better the season before. Personally, I can't pretend my eyes tell differently. They tell the same. I can't see why this should be a forbidden topic of discussion. (NT) -- b+w g., Friday, May 09, 08:44:57pm (host81-159-15-98.range81-159.btcentralplus.com/81.159.15.98)
  • Sorry but his saves have won us games . I don't know what you are seeing, we can disagree that's fine but he hasn't missed a game this season which tells you what our Manager thinks about him. (NT) -- Alboy, Friday, May 09, 08:48:23pm (host81-141-215-112.range81-141.btcentralplus.com/81.141.215.112)
    • Most of us, I think (and me for sure) are perfectly happy to disagree with each other. If you are too, then that's great. On the particular topic of Leno, leaving yours or my personal impressions aside, there are recorded facts (below) about aspects of his performance a) compared to himself in successive seasons b) compared to his peers. Are those meaningless in your opinion? (NT) -- b+w g., Friday, May 09, 09:03:59pm (host81-159-15-98.range81-159.btcentralplus.com/81.159.15.98)
      • Stats to meet are not important as to what I see. We are probably going g to have our best ever season and best ever points tally. The whole team including Leno deserve praise for that. Added to this fact if we had both defended so badly in losing points in extra time ,we would probably be challenging for Champions league spots. It's allabout fine margins in football and for me, Leno has been great. (NT) -- Alboy, Friday, May 09, 09:14:19pm (host81-141-215-112.range81-141.btcentralplus.com/81.141.215.112)
    • One of the things I have never really understood is why such a high premium is placed on keepers saves rather than eg defensive headers or tackles. Just about every save he has made this season I would expect any epl keeper to make - it is simply him doing his job - not sure why his saves are any more important in winning games than any other players contributions (NT) -- f bloke, Friday, May 09, 10:42:15pm (NoHost/90.200.145.126)
      • Your comment neatly encapsulates the "post-shot expected goals" stat. When you say "just about every save I'd expect any EPL keeper to make" that's what the stat is measuring. If you make every save you're expected to make your score would be 0, doing your job. When its fairly far negative, like Leno's, you are hurting your team more than an average keeper. When above, you're helping it more than average. Its how you can measure contributions above/below normal to winning & losing. (NT) -- eganonoa, Saturday, May 10, 04:11:58am (pool-108-18-149-21.washdc.fios.verizon.net/108.18.149.21)
        • Maybe I set the bar too high but I think most epl keepers should be able to make the saves that all epl keepers make. It is the mistakes they make that they should be primarily judged on. Your data is interesting but intuitively I feel it is more subjective than other footballing analytical data - but that doesn’t mean that it is not without merit particularly when it supports what we observe match by match (NT) -- f bloke, Saturday, May 10, 07:15:17am (NoHost/90.200.145.126)
          • It is absolutely more subjective than other data. All the expected goals stuff is as it requires someone to make a subjective choice about what happened. At a minimum its more dispassionate and recorded vs based on emotion and memory. But is flawed. However, I and it agrees with your high standard. So it does fit what you are saying. (NT) -- eganonoa, Saturday, May 10, 12:23:20pm (pool-108-18-149-21.washdc.fios.verizon.net/108.18.149.21)

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• At it again, eh? Sorry for raising a question about a player. I'll quote something I wrote two threads below so you can let me know whether I'm entitled to make future posts about our players: "I 100% believe that next year is going to be special so long as Marco sticks around. To me the squad seems so close and our ability to find value from "used parts" is so good I can't wait to see how surprises us next!" Am I now entitled to post or am I not sufficiently positive? (NT) -- eganonoa, Friday, May 09, 09:17:37pm (pool-108-18-149-21.washdc.fios.verizon.net/108.18.149.21)
  • Yes you are and I agree with you about next season. In my opinion Leno is an important part of our succes and future and we can disagree about that after all we are all fans. (NT) -- Alboy, Friday, May 09, 09:27:46pm (host81-141-215-112.range81-141.btcentralplus.com/81.141.215.112)
    • The problem is Alboy that this statement in no way reflects your actions. You've once again decided that you are so important and that debate is so utterly awful that you will start another thread over the top of the original one just to stifle debate and virtue signal. Until you stop doing this I can conclusively state that we do not agree on anything. (NT) -- eganonoa, Friday, May 09, 09:43:45pm (ue.tmodns.net/172.56.2.164)
      • I disagree with you and my whole point in the original post is in my opinion there is a little too much negativity on here. (NT) -- Alboy, Friday, May 09, 10:00:18pm (host81-141-215-112.range81-141.btcentralplus.com/81.141.215.112)
        • So its just the same old pointless "I'm the best, I've met the chairman in his box over champers, everyone shut up, all criticism is Fulham hatred" thread you have long started ad nauseum. I tell you what, Alboy, how about this: we all just assume that such a thread is always at the top of the page here and that this is always your opinion? If we all do that (which honestly we all do) then maybe you can spare us the next 1000 iterations of this same thread you've posted a million times. Deal? (NT) -- eganonoa, Friday, May 09, 10:32:03pm (NoHost/172.56.3.216)

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• Strange, you profess to know so much about football but you can’t see that Leno has not performed to the standards of previous seasons. Illustrates the total blinkered view you have of our performances. (NT) -- Straw Clutchers Anonymous, Friday, May 09, 09:53:42pm (NoHost/90.205.198.168)
  • ou have of our He has performed well this season and to suggest we get rid is ridiculous. The manager has selected him in most games this season which says a lot. (NT) -- Alboy, Friday, May 09, 10:03:21pm (host81-141-215-112.range81-141.btcentralplus.com/81.141.215.112)

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• Has been beaten consistently from long range.Just about everybody can see that with their own eyes.Fantastic first season OK second season.In decline this season.The stats for once agree with the vision and perception. (NT) -- HemelRog, Friday, May 09, 10:06:26pm (5ec0f8a7.skybroadband.com/94.192.248.167)

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• Am a season ticket holder of more than 20 years and feel as apathetic as the team looks on the field . If they were a consistent and exciting team maybe I would be pulling the trigger on next season’s ticket but right now I can’t be bothered (NT) -- View from The Riverside, Friday, May 09, 10:09:35pm (NoHost/2.221.140.88)

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• This sort of crap and let’s be honest it is. From a fan that cannot see any fault in players or manager or tactics at all. What’s the point in being a supporter if you refuse to make judgments and only make excuses. Leno btw although has been better is not that bad. Where’s the alternative? We have bigger priorities. (NT) -- CB old geezer, Friday, May 09, 10:35:51pm (213-18-167-171.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.167.171)

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• Surely if Spurs get champions league they can attract a lot higher calibre manager than Ange or Marco (NT) -- Waterboy, Friday, May 09, 11:01:14pm (NoHost/84.67.210.3)