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Date Posted: 11:00:13 05/30/03 Fri
Author: Ghanima
Subject: Good points all
In reply to: The Cannabist 's message, "IDAHO, Leto II joined with an evil despot Harum to solidify his persona, not Paul" on 09:54:44 05/30/03 Fri

I really enjoy that this site allows people to have spirited debates without getting mean or angry. Thanks to everyone for that.

Good points about the KH and whether Paul or Leto fit the description more accurately. I guess I've always followed any consideration about it with the thought that the BGs never really got their Kwisatz Haderach, so the KH never really existed. Some people think differently, and their arguments have made me reconsider my assumptions.

However, I remain convinced that Paul did not have other memory. The quote that Butterfly provided shows that when he senses the male other memory, Paul is disoriented and on unfamiliar ground. Why would he react like that if he already had other memory? That just doesn't make sense. And you can't argue that he is disoriented because he's seeing it through Leto's eyes. If that was the case, he would have been disoriented from the moment Leto made contact with him. Leto was showing him something that he had never experienced.
Of course you can assume that he did, and that's fine. You can also assume that Paul wore women's underwear, and there's nothing in the text that contradicts it. ;)

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however... -- The Cannabist, 11:08:13 05/30/03 Fri
- Cannabist -- Crysknife, 11:18:27 05/30/03 Fri
  - If it happened to Paul, don't you think that would've been an event worthy of writing about?? (NT) -- The Cannabist, 11:50:39 05/30/03 Fri
    - Just give me a plausable reason why he was left out and I'll believe it. (NT) -- Crysknife, 12:13:38 05/30/03 Fri
  - But Paul was the first and only man to do so, it took him several weeks instead of a few seconds, and so his experience is obviously not analagous to the BG. (NT) -- Ghanima, 12:13:19 05/30/03 Fri
    - Everything Implies that he has it. Nothing says he definatly didn't have it. Now that would be worth writing about! Also he wasn't the first man. The BT had one first. (NT) -- Crysknife, 12:26:07 05/30/03 Fri
    - This was because he got trapped seeing into the future wasn't it? -- IDAHO, 13:09:53 05/30/03 Fri
      - Damn good point IDAHO (NT) -- Crysknife, 13:30:24 05/30/03 Fri