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Date Posted: 12:55:13 06/04/03 Wed
Author: IDAHO
Subject: Paul and proof of his Other Memory

This quote is a conversation between Paul and the Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam from the first chapter of Dune, after his gom jabbar test:

"The drug's dangerous," she said, "but it gives insight. When a Turthsayer's gifted by the drug, she can look many places in her memory- in her body's memory. We look down so many avenues of the past...but only feminine avenues." Her voice took on a note of sadness. "yet, there's a place no Truthsayer can see. We are repelled by it, terrorized. It is said a man will come one day and find in the gift of the drug his inward eye. He will look where we cannot- into both feminine and masculine pasts."

"Your Kwisatz Haderach?"
"Yes, the one who can be many places at once: the Kwisatz Haderach. Many men have tried the drug...so many, but none has succeeded."

"They tried and failed, all of them?"
"Oh, no." She shook her head. "They tried and died."

Okay, so basically the fact that Paul takes the Water of Life and lives is one piece of evidence. But also it is written that he IS the Kwisatz Haderach, the one who can be many places at once. That means he can see both the masculine and feminine avenues of the past.

We needed to look no futher than the first chapter of Dune to see what other memory is and that the Kwisatz Haderach is to bridge the masculine and feminine. Paul IS the Kwisatz Haderach.

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That's pretty compelling. -- theButterfly, 14:26:00 06/04/03 Wed
Evidence that Paul doesn't have Other Memory -- Ghanima, 14:51:06 06/04/03 Wed
- I agree with all you said except Paul IS the KH -- The Cannabist, 15:38:44 06/04/03 Wed
  - Point taken, and actually I do agree with you on all points. (NT) -- Ghanima, 17:56:06 06/04/03 Wed
- He was MORE than the KH -- IDAHO, 15:48:33 06/04/03 Wed
  - I said that already you just went into more detail. -- The Cannabist, 16:36:57 06/04/03 Wed
    - Cannabist -- Crysknife, 18:13:30 06/04/03 Wed
    - Good thinking... and he discerned his Harkonnen lineage on his own -- IDAHO, 12:00:02 06/05/03 Thu
I disagree vehemently -- The Cannabist, 14:58:09 06/04/03 Wed
- You ask "What is Other Memory?"...thoughts -- IDAHO, 16:01:15 06/04/03 Wed
  - Anouther thought..... -- Crysknife, 16:56:38 06/04/03 Wed
    - The question arises because of bad writing -- RavensZim, 17:09:41 06/04/03 Wed
      - Hey Now! Them's fightin' words.... (NT) -- Ghanima, 18:05:48 06/04/03 Wed
      - Jessica's OM was used lots... -- The Cannabist, 20:31:19 06/04/03 Wed
        She walked the sands and took the water of life BEFORE getting OM -- RavensZim, 17:26:40 06/05/03 Thu
        I was wondering how long it would take someone to notice -- The Cannabist, 01:34:49 06/06/03 Fri
        What about... -- facedancer7777, 21:24:44 06/16/03 Mon
        He saw that through Leto.... -- TheCannabist, 22:51:27 06/16/03 Mon
        No OM: I changed my mind. -- AntiPaul, 17:19:59 06/17/03 Tue
    - I'll buy that (NT) -- IDAHO, 12:02:57 06/05/03 Thu
paul's o-m -- chairdog, 02:43:01 06/17/03 Tue