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Subject: Future of Ivy League Football


Author:
Ivy Patriot
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Date Posted: 12:52:48 03/04/24 Mon

BGA has a link to a video where someone suggests five schools could move to the FBS and three would remain in the FCS. He's not suggesting it could happen, but offers it for maybe a dream scenario. https://biggreenalertblog.blogspot.com/2024/03/the-past-present-and-imagined-future-of.html

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[> Subject: Re: Future of Ivy League Football


Author:
observer
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Date Posted: 13:51:49 03/04/24 Mon

Who's kidding whom?

Given current campus politics and leadership, more likely all go D3.

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[> Subject: Re: Future of Ivy League Football


Author:
Son of Eli
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Date Posted: 14:57:12 03/04/24 Mon

Great video. I agree with it with the exception being I would choose Rice as the eighth member of the FBS IVY.

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[> Subject: Re: Future of Ivy League Football


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RedWin
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Date Posted: 15:19:40 03/05/24 Tue

Very arrogant piece and does not help the Ivy League. For example they include Dartmouth as FBS and your stadium doesn't even meet the FBS requirement. Granted Cornell football has had a terrible run over the past twenty plus years, but even the East side of the Schoellkopf exceeds 20K seats. Hopefully we'll eventually have the west side completed........lots of luck. Regardless this article does not help Ivy League football.

Do I think splitting up the Ivy League is possible...............sure and agreed our president Martha Pollack has not been supportive of Ivy athletics. However, I do think the Ivy League is one of the few remaining real collegiate conferences in the United States. Go Ivy League!

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[> [> Subject: Cornell wouldn't qualify


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 16:19:22 03/05/24 Tue


There is no capacity requirement for FBS membership.

There is an attendance requirement.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Cornell wouldn't qualify


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Son of Eli
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Date Posted: 17:47:09 03/05/24 Tue

I’m not sure there’s either anymore. Have you checked out the attendance in the MAC recently? Games with less than 10,000 in attendance are not uncommon.

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[> Subject: Re: Future of Ivy League Football


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Penn Nation!
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Date Posted: 20:20:51 03/05/24 Tue

The Ivy League Presidents can't even agree to allow an 11 game schedule or postseason play, and we are suppose to believe they would allow a move to FBS. Hahaha! Aprils Fools came early.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Future of Ivy League Football


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Eli1143770312
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Date Posted: 21:21:46 03/05/24 Tue

Lots of new Ivy Presidents coming soon, so who knows! I agree it won’t happen but maybe the Ivy League should take some steps to become more relatable to the rest of America. The point of the amusing video was that the Ivies have rendered themselves nearly (but I would say not entirely since I still love to follow Ivy football) irrelevant in the sport they created and maybe they could think about how to make the sport more appealing to their students and alumni and neighbors.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Future of Ivy League Football


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Penn Nation!
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Date Posted: 21:43:38 03/05/24 Tue

The Ivy Presidents present and future could care less about the relevancy and how to make it more appealing though.

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[> Subject: Re: Future of Ivy League Football


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Bengal
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Date Posted: 00:08:01 03/06/24 Wed

I suppose it is nice someone is thinking these totally unrealistic thoughts, whoever he is. Meanwhile, the Ivy hierarchy might be in the verge of permanently reducing recruit limits to 108 over 4 years. A far more immediate issue and yet another deemphasis of the sport if it happens, which is possible. While these decisions are made by the schools, the Exec Director of the League has a role and could at least be marginally useful. Unfortunately, we have a mediocre person there, at least in these types of issues.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Future of Ivy League Football


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Hanover Plain
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Date Posted: 08:57:05 03/06/24 Wed

The Ivies have already gone to 27 football slots a year (or 108 over four years). That was done several years ago.

They are now thinking of/moving towards also capping football rosters at 108, which would limit the number of walking to a handful.

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[> [> [> Subject: I've said it before...


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 09:23:11 03/06/24 Wed


I understand why places like Ohio State, Alabama, Florida State, etc. limit roster spots. If they have 85 guys on scholarship and another 100 walk-ons, then it's impossible to get practices or meetings done efficiently because there are too many people.

That danger is not a problem in the Ivy League. I've been following the league for a while and I can't recall any roster that had more than 115 players. That is a very manageable number.

So what's the point of roster caps for the Ivy? Why tell five or six guys that they can't suit up and run scout team stuff at practice?

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: I've said it before...


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Fear the Quaker
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Date Posted: 10:30:05 03/06/24 Wed

Scout teams are 11 players and starters are 11 players, so a total of 44. Add in injuries , and how many guys do you need. I think too many players leaves a bunch of guys just standing there. A 3 deep depth chart is 66 plus kickers, possibly 75.

If a guy wants to stand there, I guess. There are only so many players that are good enough to get on the field.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Maybe things have changed, but...


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 12:48:15 03/06/24 Wed


It's not my recollection that the same 11 guys ran every play on scout teams.

They'd rotate, too.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: I've said it before...


Author:
McDonald
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Date Posted: 19:21:24 03/06/24 Wed

There are plenty of Ivy students who figuratively “stand around” in student government, student journalism, marching band, you name it. There are relatively few activities where there is a physical or capacity constraint if the desire for participation is there.

The question is, “Is football one of those capacity-constrained activities?”

Not at less than 115, it’s not.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Future of Ivy League Football


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Hanover Plain
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Date Posted: 09:02:50 03/06/24 Wed

Number of “walk-ons”

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[> [> Subject: A few responses


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Bengal
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Date Posted: 18:36:54 03/06/24 Wed

HP: Yes, the 108/4 year recruit limit was put in during covid ostensibly because players could take a covid year, or covertly to permanently reduce the number of football recruits. The question now is, will the League make that limit permanent? Doing so will be a blow to these programs.

I had not heard they were considering capping ROSTERS and not just recruits at 108, which does seem nutty and very hostile.

There are genuine walk ons who contribute, well beyond the scout team. P's Jack Delgarbino was a top Ohio HS wrestler who also played football. He came to us as a heavyweight wrestler and did not play football his first two years. He missed it and went back to football as a junior, playing in 3 jv games and the Cornell varsity game. But this year, as a starting DL, he had 50 tackles.

During the Hughes era, a HS RB had actually given up the sport for a year, was not a recruited by us, had one D3 offer, decided to give football another try and became a starting RB until illness sidelined him.

Fear the Q: With respect, I fear you are undercounting the needs of an Ivy football program and I think every Ivy HC would tell you so.

For one thing, while some starters do play on certain special teams, there are more than a few who do not. It would be rare to see an OL or DL on a KO team, for example. A number of frosh and sophs get their first taste of varsity play on special teams.

And, while there are some frosh who will be in the 3 deep, I think most Ivy frosh, with the exception of some special teams play, are not going to be ready for varsity position play. This cuts the number of players available to the HC, under a 108 man regime, picking his three deep from among as few as 81 sophs to seniors, assuming they are all healthy which is never the case.

The guys who don't see much varsity action, especially as underclassmen, are not just standing around. They are getting experience in jv games. A number are scout teamers. I am confident that every Ivy team has guys who have not seen much varsity play until they are junior or seniors. They are not surplusage when they are not playing varsity. Every Ivy team carries more than 3 QBs and 3 RBs, as just two examples. P has had QBs who did not play until their senior year in Cole Smith and Davidson.

I cite to examples I am more familiar with, but it would surprise if any Ivy football program had different experiences with walk-ons or saw their depth needs differently.

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[> Subject: Re: Future of Ivy League Football


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RedWin
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Date Posted: 11:20:02 03/06/24 Wed

Well as a so called "walk-on" who played Freshman football, when we moved up to varsity my sophomore year, no one ever asked me if I was a recruit or a walk-on. As an O-lineman my only motive was knocking the guy across me on his A.....

Agreed I think it's ridiculous to carry a roster of over 100 players. However, I think all Ivies should welcome walk-ons to camp and if they can play, keep them on the roster and cut the guys who can't play or who are not working hard in practice. It should be no different than any other sport.

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[> Subject: Re: Future of Ivy League Football


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IvySportsJunkie
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Date Posted: 12:59:21 03/06/24 Wed

While the Ivies clearly will have some NIL recruiting and transfer portal challenges, I feel the University administration and admissions officers are now far more concerned with how to handle potential legal challenges to Ivy athlete and legacy preferences in admissions. Until that gets better resolved over time in the courts, there is no way whatsoever that our Ivy administrators would dare to consider breaking up the Ivy League.

The Ivy administrator's and our faculty's number one priority is to maintain our cherished status as the most elite conference academically. This represents an unprecedented period of very challenging times for the Ivy League with minimal appetite to rock the boat to appease some alumni who want to return to former athletic glory days.

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[> Subject: What I like and don’t like


Author:
Ivy Inquisitor
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Date Posted: 20:07:41 03/08/24 Fri

This video was very informative with good examples on Duke, Stanford and Northwestern striking a perfect balance between being a athletic blue blood and remaining a World- class institution. Splitting the Ivy brethren is a terrible idea. There can’t be two Ivy Leagues . So, which one will have to submit to a name change? Rice makes sense but they’re located In Huston, that’s too far away to the Ivy’s liking. JMU would make the best sense. I’m in favor of adding MIT. Other than Football , Women’s and Men’s Basketball they could be competitive right away. The biggest hurdle I see is whom will they play on the final football week? Correct me if I’m wrong but I believe Brown and Dartmouth look to Harvard as their unreciprocated chief rival. MIT and Harvard will be an outstanding rivalry game for the second to final week. Would rotating Brown , Dartmouth as the final game and every third year one of these teams play a occ game for the final week be accepted?

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