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Subject: Re: Dartmouth & Harvard Ski Teams lack of diversity Author: RedWin [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 11:40:52 03/20/24 Wed In reply to: Green Review 's message, "Dartmouth & Harvard Ski Teams lack of diversity" on 19:12:53 03/19/24 Tue Greg............I think you're over thinking this subject. The point of the original post is there is no diversity in skiing at Dartmouth and Harvard due to the exclusivity of this sport. I thought the entire premise of the Ivy League is admission based on financial need with academic and athletic excellence. Even in sports like tennis and golf we are finally seeing more diversity. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> Subject: More Questions About Fairness Author: Greg [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:46:38 03/20/24 Wed RedWin, I think that you are trying in good faith to make a point you hold in good faith. I hope that I can do the same. I have three questions for all posters here: (a) Is the lack of African American and Latino skiers on the Dartmouth and Harvard ski teams a problem which needs to be rectified? Is this something that reflects poorly on our society? Suppose I accept that the lack of African American and Latino skiers on the Dartmouth and Harvard ski teams is a result of income disparities in our country. Does putting more African American and Latino skiers on the team actually solve or improve anything? Or does it just make us, the alumni, feel good when the team photo has some faces of color? (2) Suppose we fix the income disparities which create the ski team problem. What should we do about the lack of diversity on the swim team? That will be more difficult to fix, no? (3) Is a wealthy parent doing something for his or her child to be criticized or prohibited when we would applaud a low income parent for doing the exact same thing? What about if the wealthy parent were African American but the poor parent were white? How does that change the calculus? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: More Questions About Fairness Author: RedWin [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 20:27:36 03/20/24 Wed Regardless I think it's shameful when these so called sports academies purposely exclude young athletes whether they are white or a minority. Anyone who spends $75K for their kid to play sports in high school or even earlier is not too smart. Participation in college athletics should be about talent and hard work, not buying a spot for your kid on a college roster. See below. About 70 % of kids drop out of organized sports by age 13 and the so-called “professionalization of youth sports” can't be understated as a significant factor why, according to a new report released Monday by the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP).Jan 22, 2024 [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Still More Fairness Issues Author: Greg [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 21:05:26 03/20/24 Wed RedWin, I think there are four separate issues in the initial post by Green Review and your response: (a) GR decries the lack of ethnic diversity on the Dartmouth and Harvard ski teams. My initial response titled "Fairness" was addressed mostly to him and tangentially to your response. (b) You don't like the idea of parents spending $75,000 per year and think the parents have their priorities wrong. I certainly would not disagree with that! On the other hand, if that's what they want to spend their hard-earned money on, who are we to criticize them? Some people buy liquor or lottery tickets. Others send their non-athletic children to sports academies for $75,000 a year. At least the parents get their children out of the house. Maybe that's the objective here, as it traditionally was for many British parents sending their progeny to boarding school My point is that people should be allowed to waste their money on whatever they choose. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. As sparman pointed out, the chances that IMG can turn a kid who couldn't start for his local high school team into a college recruit is low. And if IMG can in fact do that, they should be charging a lot more than $75 large for tuition. (c) Your post immediately above is particularly confusing. "Sports academies purposely excluding young athletes whether they are white or minority"? What? Who's doing what? (d) Kids dropping out of sports because they're too professionalized? I agree with you that this is a shame. Sports should encourage participation for all the life lessons sports provide. But regrettably, that ship has long sailed. And why is that? Because of all the gifted athletes who marry other gifted athletes and produce offspring who are gifted athletes. As I said above, is this fair? What problems in our society should we attempt to fix or ameliorate, and what problems are only problems because we convince ourselves that they are problems? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: More Questions About Fairness Author: RedWin [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 21:12:53 03/20/24 Wed Greg........I am not an expert on this stuff. I was just a lowly walk-on O-lineman at Cornell. However, I do think the Dartmouth and Harvard Ski Teams could work a little harder to attract and retain student-athletes of color into their programs. I know the late Buddy Teevens at Dartmouth wouldn't have it any other way. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: More Questions About Fairness Author: Greg [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 21:34:34 03/20/24 Wed Should Division I basketball teams be encouraged to recruit more Asian players? In our conference, we have three superstars and one budding possible superstar, but statistically, they are crazy outliers. Asian athletes, relative to their proportion of the overall population, essentially do not exist on Division I rosters. Do you support Division I basketball teams having more Asian players? Don't you see what a slippery slope this is? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]