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Subject: 2025 Out of conference opponents Author: Steven [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 09:12:20 12/07/24 Sat Anyone know what the non-Ivy schedule looks like for 2025? I can only find three teams that have listed their schedules. Princetons - (San Diego, Lafayette and Mercer) Cornell - (Albany, Colgate and Bucknell) Brown - (Georgetown, Bryant and Rhode Island) [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> Subject: Re: 2025 Out of conference opponents Author: Ivy Inquisitor [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:06:06 12/07/24 Sat FBS.schedules.com lists the following non-league games Pennsylvania: Leigh Columbia: Georgetown, Lafayette and Leigh Dartmouth: UNH and Fordham Harvard: No OOC games listed Yale: Leigh and HC [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: 2025 Out of conference opponents Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:55:00 12/07/24 Sat Mccorkle was asked on the friends of Dartmouth football end of year call about Dartmouth’s third ooc opponent for 2025. Harrity interjected that he was working on it and hoped to have something public in a few west. My prediction- a home game against Merrimack. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: 2025 Out of conference opponents Author: Washington Lion (Related question) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:03:51 12/08/24 Sun What OOC opponents do you want to play? There was a run of years, mostly pre-Patriot League, when Ivy League teams with Yankee Conference counterparts (Brown-URI, Dartmouth-UNH, Harvard-UMass, Yale-UConn) played them in week two for a nice state rivalry Saturday. The Governor’s Cup and Granite Bowl remain good games; the other two would likely be competitive. William & Mary would be a good fit for any of eight: School and football program with Ivy-like histories, solid I-AA program with some recent playoff success, beautiful, appropriately sized stadium, recruiting opportunity in a region the Ivies seldom visit. Harvard-William & Mary makes particular sense, but they haven’t played in 30 years. Army and Navy are stretches at the moment, but won’t always be, as Yale’s 2014 team could tell you. Rutgers also, perhaps. For Columbia, I miss Fordham, but I repeat myself. Keep Georgetown and add William & Mary. Williamsburg is lovely in autumn, and nearer than all but Franklin Field. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: 2025 Out of conference opponents Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:57:35 12/09/24 Mon Unless your team is really struggling, I think most programs adhere to the "one reach, one jump ball, one cupcake" strategy for OOC. We can quibble, but for Dartmouth that would mean scheduling teams like UNH, Holy Cross, and a PFL team or Georgetown (no disrespect). That said, I'd certainly be up for scheduling teams outside of the Northeast besides the cupcakes... [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Out of conference opponent - wishes and wants Author: voy vey [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:06:43 12/09/24 Mon Definitely William & Mary seems like an attractive opponent for any Ivy. Beyond the obvious Patriot League schools, and some of the CAA and Pioneer members, some schools that I'd like to see on more Ivy schedules: Cal Poly SLO Mercer Samford Furman both HBCU participants in the annual Bayou Classic: Southern U. and Grambling. Then there's the four "Directional Dakotas" and their neighbors Montana (X2) and Idaho - the teams that usually dominate the FCS tournament. I don't see a lot of value in scheduling them as a recruiting road trip, nor is there much value from an institutional synergy perspective. However, I suppose the argument could be made that respectable showings against those schools in a regular season contest could bolster the argument for playoff participation in the future. Lastly, there's the oft-stated desire to schedule FBS schools like the service academies, UMass/UConn, Rutgers, Rice, etc. Easy to state but tougher to do, thanks to lack of bowl-eligible status for a win vs. an Ivy team. The desire on the part of the Ivies may be great, but it takes two to schedule a game. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: 2025 Out of conference opponents Author: Washington Lion (Matchups) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:11:54 12/10/24 Tue I left out Rice and the HBCUs, but those would be a good fit, too. As I understand it, having just skimmed the Wikipedia article, FBS teams can count one win against an FCS team toward bowl eligibility. The FCS team is supposed to have used 90 percent of its available scholarships in the previous two years, but the requirement can be waived given unique circumstances. An Ivy League team could make that case. (It appears not to have come up when Yale played UConn in 2021, because the Huskies also played Holy Cross that year. Also, they went 1-11 – Yale was their only win. More knowledgeable posters could tell us whether an FCS team ever has been granted the waiver.) Bowl eligibility wouldn’t have been an issue this year for Rice (4-8) or UMass (2-10). For Columbia, using the formula Go Green cites, Fordham, Georgetown and W&M at the moment are likely two cupcakes and a jump ball (mindful that Georgetown upset Columbia in September). Current Sagarin ratings: 183. William & Mary 47.10 189. Columbia 46.03 226. Fordham 37.94 250. Georgetown 32.78 Other schools mentioned in this thread plus the league. Makes one wonder why Harvard and UMass haven’t played since 1988. 46. Rutgers 74.77 51. Army 74.55 72. Navy 68.82 98. UConn 63.51 99. Air Force 63.38 109. Rice 61.30 142. Harvard 53.69 144. Yale 53.57 162. Massachusetts 50.10 175. Dartmouth 48.92 183. William & Mary 47.10 188. Pennsylvania 46.23 189. Columbia 46.03 202. Cornell 42.72 210. Princeton 41.22 226. Fordham 37.94 227. Southern U. 37.82 234. Brown 36.99 236. Grambling 36.49 240. Howard 35.68 250. Georgetown 32.78 [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: I was looking at historical trends, rather than how the team's most recent record Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 06:09:23 12/11/24 Wed Fordham traditionally has been a competitive program. Indeed, they made the playoffs in 2022. They had a year when almost everything went wrong in 2024, but I have full confidence that they will get back on track. Dartmouth just happened to catch them when they were absolutely decimated by injuries. Assuming that (as I think is the case), Columbia's title was not a fluke, I would expect Columbia-Fordham to be a jump ball going forward. One possible reason why Harvard didn't play UMass- Tim Murphy rarely if ever scheduled a competitive game for the Crimson's OOC games. Now that Murphy has moved on, we will see if Harvard's OOC philosophy changes. As for Restic, I'm not sure why Harvard stopped playing UMass, but Restic did put some challenging games on the Crimson schedule after 1988 (Army twice, Northeastern, William & Mary). He wasn't a coward. And in the mid-1990s, all Ivies scheduled exclusively with all Patriots for several years. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: I was looking at historical trends, rather than how the team's most recent record Author: Bob S [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:14:33 12/11/24 Wed Just saw Lafayette's 2025 schedule: 2 FBS games: Bowling Game and Oregon State ($500,000). I could see Ivies scheduling a MAC team also. The Patriot League teams do 11-12 game every year-gives them a little more flexibilty than the Ivies. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: 2025 Out of conference opponents Author: voy vey [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:08:29 12/11/24 Wed "More knowledgeable posters could tell us whether an FCS team ever has been granted the waiver." Army @ Yale in 2014 to celebrate Yale Bowl's centennial was likely the most recent waiver, IIRC. "Bowl eligibility wouldn’t have been an issue this year for Rice (4-8) or UMass (2-10)." True, but since such games are generally scheduled several years in advance, no self-respecting FBS school is going to schedule a future game with the mindset of "we're probably going to suck a few years from now, so bowl eligibility isn't a consideration." FBS/Ivy games can certainly be scheduled (Army/Dartmouth would have happened this year, for example). My point is just that there are additional hurdles for an Ivy to overcome than merely finding a willing FBS opponent with an open date and six figures in the checking account, like the Patriot and CAA schools do. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]