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Subject: Harvard WR transfer Cooper Barkate transfers to Duke Author: Harvard Crimson Rule! [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 16:26:23 12/29/24 Sun He'll have two years of eligibility as he'll receive his degree this May in just three years at Harvard. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> Subject: Re: Harvard WR transfer Cooper Barkate transfers to Duke Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:57:29 12/30/24 Mon Best of luck to him. I've said it before, and I'll say it again-- a large part of the Ivy championship going forward will be which teams can hold onto their stars for four years. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Harvard WR transfer Cooper Barkate transfers to Duke Author: Yeti [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:52:13 12/30/24 Mon In the midst of all the changes sweeping college football, the Ivy League has often seemed outpaced by the rapid evolution of the sport. However, a new potential recruiting pitch may turn this perceived disadvantage into an opportunity: “Come to an Ivy League school and gain an invaluable education while honing your skills in a competitive, yet less pressurized, non-Power Four environment. Spend four years developing your game and testing yourself against strong competition. If you excel, upon graduation, you may have the option to transfer to an FBS program for additional exposure to NFL scouts without the strain of rigorous academics or the prestige of an Ivy League education holding you back. This pathway has already proven successful for NFL draftees like Hunter Nourzad (Cornell, Penn State), Nick Gargiulo (Yale, South Carolina) and others.” This approach emphasizes the unique combination of academic and athletic development the Ivy League offers, creating a win-win scenario for both players and programs. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Harvard WR transfer Cooper Barkate transfers to Duke Author: M3 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:49:00 12/30/24 Mon Another recruiting pitch "You have proven after 2 years in the Ivy League that you are an excellent college athlete. Come to a Power 4 conference where you will make serious money, have fans who actually attend your games and get a an excellent degree. After all, whats so bad about Duke/Vanderbilt/Northwestern/WakeForest/UVa//Michigan/USC/Stanford/Notre Dame?" [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Harvard WR transfer Cooper Barkate transfers to Duke Author: Yeti [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 01:26:27 12/31/24 Tue Good point. But Ivy coaches must sell the education as a cut above other schools like Duke or Vanderbilt. And, how many success stories have there been of players taking this route? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Harvard WR transfer Cooper Barkate transfers to Duke Author: M3 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:27:33 12/31/24 Tue "But Ivy coaches must sell the education as a cut above other schools ..." and you wonder why the rest of the country hates the Ivy League ? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: The Dawning of a New Age in Ivy League Sports Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:00:41 12/31/24 Tue I don't argue that the rest of the country hates the Ivy League, never more so than now. It's interesting that the number of applications keeps rising even as the number of 17-year-old Americans has peaked and international students plateau, scared off by visa complications and threats of travel bans. To summarize, much of America hates us, yet still wants to attend our eight colleges. As is usually said about people who are sleeping together, there is a thin line between love and hate. The true opposite of love is indifference. America is not indifferent to the Ivy League. I don't doubt for a second that I could have received an equivalent or comparable education at Stanford, Northwestern or Vanderbilt. I have serious doubts about doing so at Duke, the most overrated university in America by my accounting. The education that you earn at a top college has much more to do with YOU than with the top college. Having said that, as I look back upon my college choice from the perspective of decades out of the Ivy gates, I would still make the same selection again, turning down other excellent options. You don't choose an elite university for the education, as good as it is. You choose an elite university for the people you will meet and befriend, who will be your fellow travelers down the road of life for the next six or seven decades, and hopefully longer. The education I could have gotten anywhere, including at my flagship state university. The friends and acquaintances, not so much. That's what Ivy League colleges can and should sell their athletic recruits. I believe that the impact of NILs and the transfer portal is corrosive and will accelerate in its negative impact on college sports. This is a terrible development for American education and American society. But curiously, NILs and the transfer portal could be a shot of truth serum for athletic programs at the Ivies and other elite colleges. What we are selling is an incomparable undergraduate experience (if not education per se) and an unmatched alumni network. The Ivies which do not impress freshmen and sophomores on these two dimensions are going to lose their stars to Georgetown, Michigan and Vanderbilt (I wonder how much the Princeton volleyball star will be making in Nashville). **BUT** the Ivies which deliver upon their promises -- experience and fellow students/alumni -- will keep their star players and win on the field/court. It's time for the Ivies to deliver on our promise of being the best undergraduate experience in America. I believe that each of us can, but not all of us will. In fact, I think most of us on this board can guess which Ivies will and which will not. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: The Dawning of a New Age in Ivy League Sports Author: Yeti [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:44:24 12/31/24 Tue Agreed. The Ivy League “package” remains highly desirable and can, and should, be leveraged by Ivy football coaches. Beyond just academics, Ivy football has the potential to set a standard of excellence in competitive, amateur sports, embodying the ideal of multidimensional “renaissance men” who excel both on and off the field. This Ancient Greek-like ideal—balancing intellect, athleticism, and character—could resonate even more in today’s college football landscape. For recruits and fans alike, it offers something unique and enduring in contrast to the increasingly commercialized world of college sports. While reforms are undoubtedly needed, the Ivy League’s ability to provide an unparalleled undergraduate experience, world-class education, and a lifelong alumni network positions it to thrive if these values are emphasized. In a way, NILs and the transfer portal might push the Ivies to fully embrace and deliver on these promises. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: The Dawning of a New Age in Ivy League Sports Author: sparman [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:58:42 12/31/24 Tue Perhaps my glasses are rose colored, but I don't think most of America hates the ivies. I think they hate some of the attitudes they see, like disdain for "flyover" states. There are too many students trying to get in our schools from those states to convince me they hate us. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Harvard WR transfer Cooper Barkate transfers to Duke Author: Yeti [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:35:18 12/31/24 Tue I don’t wonder why. Hate us ‘cause they ain’t us. Nothing wrong with being the best. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Harvard WR transfer Cooper Barkate transfers to Duke Author: Bob S [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:54:49 12/31/24 Tue We get kind of caught up in ourselves here. As other experts have ventured there are about 100 "Top Ten" Colleges in the U.S At the crux of the recent athletic scholarship court case in the Ivy League the Judge threw out the case based on his opinion that if a top athlete wanted an athletic scholarship at an elite school they could attend Notre Dame, Stanford, Rice, etc. In other words there are many good options for athletes who are top students including the Division III NESCAC schools which compete for national championships including basketball. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Harvard WR transfer Cooper Barkate transfers to Duke Author: M3 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:17:45 12/31/24 Tue I am as rabid a Princetonian as anyone. At the same time, with age, I think it is important not to believe our own BS. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Education =/= Experience Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 18:54:09 12/31/24 Tue Bob S, when the idiot suit-filers at Brown (or was it the idiot unionizers at Dartmouth? -- sometimes it's difficult to keep idiots apart) filed their suit, I immediately posted here on this message board that they should lose their suit because there are many many colleges where one can get an excellent education. The Ivy League is not in any way a monopoly on selling a quality education. So I agree with you 100% on that. Having said that, at the risk of repeating myself (who am I kidding? -- I am repeating myself), a quality education at Northwestern or my state flagship university does not mean an equivalent undergraduate experience. The people I met decades ago in college and immediately thereafter continue to be my most important personal and professional asset, outside of my family. You only get one chance to make college friends and acquaintances. The education I could have easily replicated at my state flagship university. The professional network? The friends who have walked with me since graduation day? Never. And I lived in a state with a pretty good flagship university. I firmly believe that one can get a similarly high quality *education* at any one of the top 25 most highly rated universities in the US News ranking, plus another top 15 or so among the liberal arts colleges. There's almost no difference between them. I also believe that there's a huge difference in the POTENTIAL *experience* just in the top 10, probably the top 5. My best friend in high school was accepted to his first choice college, Cornell. He attended the University of Virginia because his father asked him to save money on tuition even though the father was a highly paid corporate executive. It's only in the last few years that I have fully realized what a mistake the father made. I'm still best friends with this guy, close enough that a couple of months ago I felt that I could tell him the following. He said, "Maybe I should have gone to Cornell. Maybe Virginia was a mistake." I replied, "Your father made a mistake. You made a mistake. I would have crawled on my hands and knees to attend my first choice college and nothing my parents could have said would have stopped me. Picking a college based on cost is a terrible decision." These are the decisions that a seventeen-year-old kid needs to be able to make well. These decisions matter. That's how lives well lived and lived to their fullest are crafted. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Harvard WR transfer Cooper Barkate transfers to Duke Author: Lurker [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:21:16 12/31/24 Tue As I have stated here in the past: playing football at Northwestern and other “high academic” FBS schools is not necessarily the same education as other students At Cornell, many of my teammates were engineering students, as is my son At Columbia. In my understanding many academic fields are not available for football players at NW The IL is still unique in delivering an authentic academic experience to Div1 football players [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Harvard WR transfer Cooper Barkate transfers to Duke Author: Lion Rooter [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:56:15 01/01/25 Wed I read the James Madison football roster - most of the players have these majors: "Sport and Recreation Management" and "Professional and Continuing Education" - seems highly suspect to me. Don't seem to see similar majors in the Ivy rosters. I had a doctor who said that an Ivy athletes had to be both good at their sport and very good at time management - which obviously helps you in your professional life for sure. I agree with earlier poster who said it is not where you go but what you do with your opportunity - academic and later in life. I attended 3 colleges in Canada previous to Morningside Hts - where Columbia admins said they had a high respect for (including high school) but I found my experience, engagement with professors & classmates etc much more enlightening than up North. Some folk might feel that we, Ivy grads and the school, are self important or self appointed elite but honestly I think that might come from the cankerous worm of envy. Finally I am so proud of our football squad - after following them for more than 3 decades -- they are a great representation for our school and I am also grateful for their efforts esp. as some students (or hangers on) are NOT good reps for our school. The Columbia Ivy football champs rang the bell at the NY Stock Exchange for pete's sake! Happy New Year to all on this board - even some of the more vituperative ones ! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]