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Date Posted: 00:31:32 03/05/05 Sat
Author: Mike K.
Subject: Re: Some thoughts
In reply to: Anonymous 's message, "Some thoughts" on 15:15:30 03/04/05 Fri

I disagree with you here, Mike. As the article I mentioned previously explains, the word "submit" does not appear in the Greek.

You're right. Unfortunately, my Greek is too weak to delve into the Greek. The NAV (nestle-Aland) Latin, however, renders it: "Wives, to their husbands the same as to the Lord"

The principle is: what relationship should a person have to the Lord? The Lord says "You do this" and the person say "Naw, I don't want to", the Lord says "We need to", the person say "I don't care"?

Obviously, this translation renders matters completely different, though I'd say it's essentially equal.

Please use a term that is in your opinion proper to describe a believer's healthy relationship to the Lord?

Now you said "mutual respect", but does this imply going against the proclaimed will of the other when they just will the best for you? "Biblical submission" is of course impossible without mutual respect, but is there such a thing as genuine "respect" when one doesn't act in appreciation of the other's will?

You know, I'm not the kind of guy who pushes their wife behind the kitchen sink and beats them for not making a nice meal - but I'd get horribly upset if I'd tell my wife "We have $50 until the month ends, we need to spend it wisely" and the next thing I'd be seeing is her going shopping for a nice vase @$49.99 ...

The idea is that the role of the husband and of the wife in the family are not the same. It is the husband's role to work on a job, to earn, to shelter, to protect, to nourish, to cherish - can a woman "mutually respect" this role of the husband and still violate it? If she does not violate it, then she is submitting to that role, for all that it means.

In the end, our perspectives don't separate as far as you might imagine, but it really ends up that without respect, there can be no submission but without submission, where is the respect?

In Christ,
Mike K.

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