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Date Posted: 13:42:18 05/05/09 Tue
Author: Michael
Subject: Re: a message for you
In reply to: iteo 's message, "Re: a message for you" on 08:41:27 05/04/09 Mon

Much of what you state I agree with....I would place myself firmly in the advaitist vedanta group. I believe that one has to still the mind so that one can see consciousness free from imagination, thought etc.

The contradiction in your post is that you seem to support this belief (of going beyond the dual) but then talk of 'evil' and 'conspiracies'.

You cannot rightly hold both. I know you will argue that whilst we are living in this world and are caught in its delusion then we have to deal with it as our role here, but I would argue that is true only in as much as it helps us to escape this illusion. Talk of 'evil' and 'conspiracies' is doing the opposite by enmeshing you far more in the unreal. I would go further (even though I am unqualified to say this) and suggest that perhaps your 'epiphany' was only a slight glimpse of the real. From what i have been told, as one's mind becomes more introverted it becomes more concentrated. This has the effect of making it more powerful...and (unfortunately) it becomes more powerful in trying to throw you back into the world.

You believe all this 'evil' and 'conspiracy' is the illusion of the mind, (if you agree with advaitism) so hold that reality to be true and dont allow your mind to throw you off course.

>Fair enough.
>
>And no, I am honestly not trying to change the world,
>that cannot be done. But I am trying to help those
>closest to me. Probably a mistake, chalk it up to my
>human nature.
>
>I have to admit that I sometimes tell myself that I am
>wasting my time - people cannot be helped. And I guess
>that that's probably true. I sometimes think that you,
>Roger and David are here to teach me that lesson.
>
>I mention the conspiracy stuff because I know it's
>true (it's not a belief, I truly know this) and
>because I know�I feel remiss in not sharing it.
>Whether I am making a mistake in telling others
>remains to be seen. But if you see someone walking
>into a cave and you know for certain there's a bear in
>there � you naturally want to warn them. That's my
>dilemma.
>
>However, most people have firmly held beliefs that
>there are no 'bears', etc. and anyone who says there
>are is misguided.
>
>But that aspect is the least important to my mind. 90%
>of what I write is about duality. The "evil" I mention
>however will rear its ugly head and you will be
>confronted with it. I am just pointing out that good
>and evil are the mistaken interpretation of duality
>and that the only escape from evil is to free oneself
>from duality. This is the real message of the great
>spiritual teachers IMHO.
>
>That said, for many, it is their *beliefs* that are
>holding them back - they cannot see beyond their
>firmly held beliefs. The Diamond Cutter Scripture says:
>
>"Even the religion is to be abandoned, how much more
>that which is contrary to it".
>
>

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Replies:

Re: a message for you -- iteo, 23:24:11 05/05/09 Tue
- Re: a message for you -- Michael, 13:42:09 05/07/09 Thu
  - Re: a message for you -- grasshopper, 19:21:04 09/02/10 Thu