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Subject: Re: My 1st real REAL spanking


Author:
Emmie Sue
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Date Posted: 05:20:36 10/02/24 Wed
In reply to: Emmie Sue 's message, "My new life" on 06:56:05 09/01/24 Sun

Ow. You were right, I didn't like it and it didn't match my lifelong fantasies. I can't talk about it right now, I'm sorry. It came very unexpected and it was really the last thing on my mind at the time. I was having such a great day up until then. I guess thats what a real spanking is. I'm sitting on a pillow to write this and it doesn't really help.

I was having such a great day. I was in a really good headspace. It was a beautiful sunny day and really starting to feel like fall. I talked to my friend and she was coming over to work on our project. The project wasn't really that much on our minds. We were talking and having a giggle fest and we started kissing. We moved to feeling each other up, fully clothed of course and were just kind of rolling around on the floor feeling each other up and laughing. I don't know how but somehow she ended up across my lap. I got my left hand under her and was rubbing and it was getting intense. I got my right hand into the back of her hand and my finger almost got to her butthole but she grabbed my hand away so I rubbed her butthole too over her pants. I smelled my fingers and I think they smelled a little stinky but I'm not sure. Then I slapped her bottom. Then again. I couldn't resist. I think she was edging but she grabbed my hand and said "Stop, stop, stop, stop." I don't think she hated it, but she said "We need to work on our project." So when we could stop panting we did, but our minds weren't really into it. So we kissed and she left.

I was feeling kind of in love or lust. I intended to clean things up and do my chores, but I was kind of preoccupied feeling kind of in love, not really. I wasn't masturbating if that's what your thinking. I wasn't expecting Shelby for a while and I heard "WTF!" but she didn't say WTF. I was kind of shocked back into reality and I heard "Emmie Sue, get your ass up here right now!"

I'm sorry I can't tell you about the rest of the night right now. Everything happened so quickly after that and I'm still trying to put the pieces together. I don't feel good and my butt really hurts. I don't want to go to school today but I have to. I got this feeling that everyone is going to be pointing at me and laughing. I don't want to run into my friend today, but I'm sure I will and we have to finish our project, like real soon. I don't know what to tell her. I don't know how I'm going to face Shelby this morning.

I think I might be off here for a while.

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Author:
Cassie
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Date Posted: 08:04:10 10/02/24 Wed

Wowie! Sounds like you REALLY got it if you can't talk about it. That's a rarity for you. I don't mean to make light of your traumatic experience and forgive me if I smile. It sounds well deserved and sounds like you've learned a lesson from it.

Forgive me again, but I can't wait until you're feeling better and can give a blow by blow report.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: My 1st real REAL spanking


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Cassie
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Date Posted: 08:16:31 10/02/24 Wed

I just realized this sounded rather rude. I didn't mean it to sound that way. Remember the discomfort is only temporary and you've learned from it. And most importantly, you experienced what you've always wanted to. I'm jealous.

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Vicky
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Date Posted: 17:17:41 10/02/24 Wed

Emmie Sue got a spaaanking! Emmie Sue got a spaaaanking!

Sorry, I just couldn't resist.

I think it's normal to feel a little sheepish after a spanking. I think as you get further away from it you will feel some horniness creep in.

And I think you will be back on here sooner than you think.

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[> [> Subject: Re: My 1st real REAL spanking


Author:
Emmie Sue
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Date Posted: 06:54:12 10/03/24 Thu

I've had a little time to process it all. It's still really confused in my memory. It's not like "I went to a concert and these are the songs they played" soit might be a little jumbled. I wasn't expecting it, it was more like being in a car crash and remembering every detail. I really don't want to write about it, but I guess I owe it to you.

I was having such a great day. It's been untypically warm here for late September and was a little cooler with a fall breeze but still sunny and the sun was hot on your skin. I was in a really good mood and felt like nothing could go wrong. I was running into friends and me and my friend set up to work on our project. We didn't actually get much done on our project as I described above. Making out aside, we were having a great time. We were having chips and salsa and a couple of beers and coffee. She left and I went down to my apartment to daydream. I meant to clean up, I swear I did.

Shelby came home earlier than usual and hearing her voice sent shockwaves through my body. I didn't realize what a mess we had left until I got upstairs to a very angry Shelby. I admit, we had art shit all over the place, broken chips all over the floor, some salsa on the carpet, a beer and a coffee spilled. I guess I just didn't notice. I fully intended to clean it all up before she got home.

Shelby put a kitchen chair in the living room and told me to sit. I felt like spewing from both ends. Everytime I tried to explain she stopped me. She pushed stuff aside and put towels on the spills. I've never seen this before. She put shaving cream on the spills in the carpet. It was kind of amazing because the stains were gone. "Get up!" She sat on the chair holding the hairbrush and I felt really sick. I knew I was going to get a lot more than a few smacks with that hairbrush and I already knew how much it hurt. I know I was pleading.

She was hearing none of it. She unbuttoned my jeans and pulled them all the way down. It was becoming so real and so fast. She yelled at me while I stood there in my panties then she pulled those down and lectured more. I've read about the drama of this whole scene of pulling down the pants and then the panties taking a long time to do it and let me tell you the drama of it all is very effective. She helped me over her lap which was very awkward for both of us. I was in this weird position looking at my feet on the other end, her legs, the legs of the chair and the carpet. I felt her hand on my bare bottom and she was saying things like "You wanted this and now you're gonna find out." and lectured about the mess, not doing my chores, a couple gicarette butts on the stoop ect. Then I felt the first slap on my little bare butt. It was a shock. It stung a lot worse than any other time, play or real. Slaps on my bottom every few seconds went on forever and every slap stung worse and my whole bottom and thighs were really burning. I tried not to but I started owing and stuff and the slaps started faster and I was really squirning and kicking and begging. I knew I deserved it and my eyes were watering up, but I think more because I knew I deserved than the pain.

She stopped and rubbed my butt a lot and was lecturing. I was just babbling, Idk, like "I'm sorry. Please, please. I won't do it again." or whatever I was saying. "Oh, I haven't even started spanking you." She wasn't kidding because then she started REALLY spanking me. I couldn't take it. I was trying to grab the floor, the legs of the chair, her legs, anything. I was full out bawling and just shouting babble. I know I was saying "I can't, I can't, I can't" I forgot I had a safe word. It was like there was nothing I could do. When I tried to reach back to stop it She fired on my thighs and that hurt insanely.

I swear it was hours till she stopped and aggressively got me off her lap and put my nose on the wall. No more slaps but the burn was REALLY setting in. My brain was a whirlpool. It was like being in a car crash and going "WTF just happened?" I think I even asked on here once about rubbing your bottom, yes I did. I don't know if it made it any better but it was like a automatic thing. I swore my butt was bleeding. It made me feel even worse that while my nose was on the wall and my butt was on actual fire Shelby was cleaning up MY mess.

I had calmed down a little and things were starting to come clear then I felt Shelby gripping me under my arm and she was holding the hairbrush in my face and said "Now young lady, your spanking begins." I begged her her and pleaded her but I was back over her knees. OMFG, that bitch stung. Same as with the hand spanking. It was bad enough with the smacks every few seconds but when she REALLY started spanking me with that thing I swear I was losing my mind. I HAD to use my safe word but I couldn't remember it. I know I was going "I can't, I can't, I can't!" The whole hot mess is a blurr. I never cried so hard in my life.

I was bawling my head off and she told me to take my pants off. That was agony trying to get them over my feet, bending and standing. She told me to pull up my panties and get the mess cleaned up, dispose of the cigarette butts, the 3 days of dishes in the sink, vacuum the living room and wipe down the kitchen. I was crying the whole time and everytime I took a step my butt burned. Bending was torture. In a way I was glad she let me pull my panties up to save me embarrassment but it felt like they were stuck to my butt and the hems dug into my burning butt. I almost wanted to just rip them off. I was cleaning so hard I didn't even have the time to process what just happened.

I think I did all that in record time. I was like a little kid trying everything to please their parent hoping I wasn't in trouble anymore. Shelby was very calm all that time and she calmy said "Come over here." I thought she was going to spank me more and I go "Please, please, please, don't spank me." but she wanted me to sit in her lap. Sitting fucking hurt. I started bawling again and she cuddled me and wioped my eyes and snot and played with my hair. Except that sitting felt like sitting in a burn pit, it was really nice.

She ordered subs. I said I would eat standing but she said "Sit down" and I wasn't about to argue. Now I know what it means when they say spanked till you can't sit down. Later she helped me in my jammie jams and tucked me in. I couldn't sleep much.

So the next day my butt wasn't on fire but it hurt. It just hurt. I know I was walking funny on campus and subconsciously rubbed my butt and quickly remembered that there were a thousand people looking. I felt like everybody knew. Sitting in my classes was agony. I tried not to be obvious but I know I was squirming all over my chair. My friend came over to finish our project. I suggested we work on it at the kitchen table so I could stand, but she insisted the living room. "Sit on the floor?!" I didn't mean to say that and that was like an admission that I got spanked. I KNOW she knew. I KNOW she kept looking at the hairbrush. We finished our project and kissed, but that was it and I might have let the cat out of the bag pleading with her to help me clean up.
Oh shit, I'm gonne be late for class. bye.

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Alfred22
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Date Posted: 07:36:48 10/03/24 Thu

Here's wishing you a complete recovery. You had a real one, for sure. It was complete with the anger that often comes along with "the real thing." I suspect that few of the folks here recommending a "good spanking" for allegedly brat behavior by E.S. are going to feel good about the form this took. I sure don't. You and your friend did leave a mess but the change in deadline for cleaning it up (Shelby's return time) is at least a partial cause of the mess being what greeted your roomie. She clearly over-reacted.

Still you can benefit and learn from your agony. You did feel the extreme pain of a real spanking. How good was this for you? Enlightening for sure.

You are certain to have many damaged small blood vessels and the bruises that ensue. I do feel your major discomfort. Find your safeword and safeword out of any more licks. You are very young so you will heal IF you aren't spanked again.

Also don't sit any more than you must. There is no healing power in "taking the pain." I and all the others here will be thinking of you.

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Aunt Nat
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Date Posted: 08:14:45 10/03/24 Thu

I would say "Oh you poor thing" but like your girlfriend said, you deserved it and you asked for it, literally.

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Thea
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Date Posted: 09:35:56 10/03/24 Thu

I'm not as sympathetic as Alfred. While her return may have been earlier than anticipated, that's the sort of mess you shouldn't have made in the first place. If it was just the art supplies, I would agree with him, but the food mess is ridiculous. Spills should always be cleaned up IMMEDIATELY.

Also. How do you end up spilling beer AND coffee AND salsa? That sounds like you weren't being careful enough to begin with.

I wouldn't have spanked you quite as hard as she did, but I would have made you clean all of the mess up yourself, I wouldn't have cleaned any of it.

Be a good girl so you don't earn yourself another one.

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JenniAnn
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Date Posted: 03:02:23 10/08/24 Tue

So finally you know how a real bare bottom spanking over someones knees feels like. Also as and adult woman I don't like a punishment spanking while it is ongoing. But later I can really both enjoy the feeling of "having been spanked" as well as feel it was well deserved. Can you relate to this?
I loved your description of your reaction and part of it reminds me on one of my favourite spanking clips, with Sami also screaming "I can't I can't I can't" while getting the hairbrush from her mother. Can you compare your reactions to her? https://www.spankingtube.com/video/126020/sami-severe-ff-over-the-knee-hairbrush-spanking

I hope you will get a lot of "sexy" spankings as well from Shelby and from what I can read it seems like you will get plenty of those. But I am sure, and I guess you are as well, that your first real punishment spanking was not your last.

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Emmie Sue
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Date Posted: 04:45:35 10/08/24 Tue

Yeah, I guess it was like that. It's pretty much a blurr. Anytime I put my hands back I got smacks on my thighs and told to keep my hands in front. I guess I was saying "I can't take it." Idk, things were just coming out of my mouth. I retrospect I appreciate it, I know she did it with love, I know she did it to make me be more responsible, I know she did it because it's what I've always wanted to experience and I know she did it because it is also her lifelong dream but from the other side. I don't know if she got off on it. I really don't think she did. Like me maybe later, but not while it was happening. I think the extreme horniness for about a week now is not so much from my butt being sore or the humiliation of it, but from the love did it with. I don't think I could get much out of just meeting someone to get my butt whooped.

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Laura
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Date Posted: 11:35:48 10/08/24 Tue

Did your parents actually spank you that hard??!! My parents believed a spanking should be more than a love pat, but not that traumatic. Is this really what is meant as a "Real spanking" in spanko circles?

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Jenniann to Laura
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Date Posted: 00:21:56 10/09/24 Wed

Yes this is how hard my mom spanked me and my sister if not even harder. My dad spanked mostly with hand but he did it quite similar as in the video below (also with Sami), about half way into the clip.
https://www.spankingtube.com/video/122831/sami-s-parental-punishment

As I remember from seeing him spanking sis he used more force but less rapid. And of course the spankings were not as long as in the clips but I thing they went on for about a minute (which feels like hours when you were over the knees).
I can't speak for what other refers to a "Real spanking" but this is how I got spanked in my teens. And yes it was traumatizing indeed!

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Maddie
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Date Posted: 19:29:57 10/03/24 Thu

Gooble Gobble Gooble Gobble One of us, one of us. We accept you.

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Emmie Sue
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Date Posted: 05:00:04 10/04/24 Fri

I get it. I know you're all teasing me. It's cool. I know you're all not being mean, I know you're all just having some fun with me. I guess I kind of deserve it.

Question: Is it normal after a real, REAL punishment spanking to feel, Idk, kind of depressed maybe and just kind of lethargic? I always hear the word 'cleansed'. I don't know if I felt that way right off. In a way I was kind of mad at Shelby right after, but at the same time I was feeling a lot of love for her and like devotion, like more than I ever felt. Like I would do anything to please her, not just because I didn't want to be spanked anymore. Do people feel that way when their moms spank them? I wasn't really depressed, I don't know how to explain my emotions the next day. I was very humbled and it felt like everyone I talked to or even passed was like "Ha ha, you got a spanking." I felt like everybody knew even know there was no way they could have. I KNOW my friend knew. I didn't say anything to her and she never asked, but I just know she knew. It could be my imagination, but I swear she kept looking at the brush and looking at me. It was like I was reading her thoughts. But anyway, the 'cleansing' or 'enlightened' feeling didn't happen until later the next day.

Tuesday when my actual spanking was my butt was just on fire all night. Wednesday my butt just hurt. It just hurt and like throbbed and it just didn't go away. Yes, sitting was uncomfortable. Going down on the chair I definitely felt it and sitting was uncomfortable and I kept feeling like electric shocks in various places of my butt. It did feel good to rub it and message it. Every step and bending or lifting my leg I could feel it. When my friend came over and insisted we sit on the floor I didn't want to give it away and tried to act normal and I'm sure she could see in my facial expressions and body movements that I was in discomfort. It wasn't until after she left, Vicky that the horniness started to creep in. I wont go into details, but by nighttime the fire wasn't just in my butt.

On Thursday, not just my butt, but my whole body started aching. I guess from the weird position I was in and really in that position my whole body got a workout. My whole legs and my arms and joints hurt. Is that normal? But Thursday I started feeling REALLY ALIVE. I guess it took a couple of days for it to sink in. I called my mom after school and of course I didn't tell her I got a spanking but my mouth had diarrhea. I wanted to tell the whole world "I got a spanking!!" I started getting pretty excited about it, but not ever wanting to go through that again.

I got into class just after the lecture started. Fortunately Shelby didn't know about it and I sure the hell wasn't going to tell her. I met with my friend and I couldn't help myself, I pulled her into the bathroom and we made out. I grabbed her butt which was like a regrettable invitation because she grabbed my butt and it fucking hurt but at the same time felt great. She knows, I swear to god she knows. I don't know how but I'm certain she knows. Last night I was kind of all over Shelby like a schoolgirl with a crush and she was tolerant, but not going for it.

Now to reply.

Alfred. She wasn't angry when she spanked me. I mean she was angry, but she made me sit in the chair I guess for her to process it. I don't think she over reacted, there was more to it.

Maddie. That's from "Plan 9" isn't it? Or something. I'm glad you approve. You're kind of my idol.

Vicky. It took a couple of days, but yes, god I'm horny.

Aunt Nat and Cassie. Yes, I got what I deserved and I got what I wanted. It wasn't exactly my fantasy, but now I know. Unfortunately I think I'm going to know a lot more in the future. Now I know that if I don't follow the rules there's going to be consequences. That might even be the hardest part.

Thea. Thank you for responding. You are right not to be sympathetic. I'm not offended. We made a mess. We were having a lot of fun and making out so we were kind of in clouds and I didn't pay attention to the mess we were making. There were other things too like the butts on the stoop, neglecting my chores and sort of a declining attitude that I think I was due anyway and the mess was the icing on the cake. We should have cleaned up before she left. I should have done that immediately, although I wouldn't really know what to do about the stains. My mom always took care of things like that.
>I wouldn't have spanked you quite as hard as she did, but I would have made you clean all of the mess up yourself, I wouldn't have cleaned any of it.< But you said you gave that girl dozens with the bathbrush or were you just trying to scare me? But I think there were 2 reasons Shelby made me sit down while she cleaned the mess. Firstly, she's kind of OCD and she cleans. I think it gave her some time to thinbk about what she was going to do to me and give herself time to calm down. Secondly, I think she wanted to rub it in my face and make me feel really ashamed by making me watch her clean it up. If that was her goal it worked. My mom would do that too, although she didn't spank me. Also she knows I would only make the stains worse, in fact she said that and was showing me the way to get stains out of a carpet. So now I know.
I will be a good girl and I sure don't want to earn another one, although I'm afraid the flood gates are open. At least now I know what to expect.

My poor little bottom still hurts 3 days later. Not like it did Wednesday, but it's still kind of sore and sometimes if I sit in the wrong place I feel like a shock. I've read most of my life what it's like to get a spanking and one word I keep seeing is 'cleansed'. It took a day or 2 for that feeling, but I'm REALLY starting to feel it. I've been carrying around guilt for 20 years and I feel it lifted. And Maddie, I get it. Now I feel like I'm in the club.
I have an appointment to see my professor friend today and I'm really apprehensive about it.

Thanks everybody. I don't mind if you tease me. I guess that's part of it. I really appreciate you guys supporting me and keeping me grounded.

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Alfred22
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Date Posted: 08:04:40 10/04/24 Fri

I would suggest that you share your experience with your professor friend. She is likely to have some wisdom for you.

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Thea
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Date Posted: 08:38:56 10/04/24 Fri

"I should have done that immediately, although I wouldn't really know what to do about the stains. My mom always took care of things like that."
You obviously have access to the internet, Emmie Sue, given that you can post here. You also have the ability to learn, given that you're in college. You ought to have the ability to problem-solve and use those two skills to find out how to do something simple like cleaning up a stain. Barring that, you could've cleaned up the rest and texted Shelby explaining you'd accidentally spilled some things and weren't sure how to properly clean them up, and ask her how you should do it.

"But you said you gave that girl dozens with the bathbrush or were you just trying to scare me?"
I did give her dozens with the bath brush, but she came over specifically because she wanted a hard spanking. She also pretty much dared me to make her cry because she said nobody had managed it yet, and she had a much higher pain tolerance than I think you have.

Her reasoning is fair enough if that's her reasoning, I wasn't saying she shouldn't have cleaned any of it herself. Just that I wouldn't have.

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Emmie Sue
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Date Posted: 05:02:06 10/06/24 Sun

Thea;
I just didn't realize there was such a mess and we were...you know, having fun if you catch my drift and we must have spilled things in the process. I was in kind of a dream state and I fully intended to clean it up, I just thought I would have more time. I know that's not an excuse, but that's my excuse. I never said I didn't deserve it and it was exactly what our deal was. I'm not complaining.

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Wondering-supportive
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Date Posted: 08:46:44 10/04/24 Fri

"I got into class just after the lecture started. Fortunately Shelby didn't know about it and I sure the hell wasn't going to tell her."

To ground you further, you report that you finally felt horny as hell after your spanking. So you not wanting to 'sure as hell ' tell Shelby you arrived at class late does not ring true. Are you really all that sure??

You missed an opportunity to get an even better idea of how strictly Shelby will now control your life, and yet another opportunity to experience what you want, extreme hornyness. Think about it and resolve to bring your relationship to the next level by being completely honest with Shelby and also ensuring that you do what you should be doing, such as arriving to class on time. You are ripe for behavioral changes that could would benefit you in the long term. When you deserve to be spanked, you should be spanked. What could be clearer given your desires.

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Emmie Sue
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Date Posted: 05:04:35 10/06/24 Sun

Yeah, I tell ya what, YOU tell her you were late for class with your butt already bruised. I mean, technically I was in class on time.

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Thea
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Date Posted: 06:15:32 10/06/24 Sun

Are you familiar with the phrase "lying by omission"?

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Emmie Sue
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Date Posted: 06:22:17 10/06/24 Sun

Okay, I get it. But 1 little thing I don't think is that bad and I wasn't really late. Just a little bit. If it happens again I will confess to Shelby.

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Emmie Sue
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Date Posted: 06:23:37 10/06/24 Sun

I mean I just got caught up writing on here and I didn't realize how late it got.

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Thea
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Date Posted: 09:37:25 10/06/24 Sun

You're intentionally hiding breaking a rule from Shelby. That's very naughty of you.

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Wondering-supportive
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Date Posted: 07:43:16 10/06/24 Sun

Guess what young lady, a little late means you were late. You are making silly excuses like 'technically' I wasn't late. That is precisely the kind of lame explanations that parents and other authority figures spank for because it reveals their charge does not take full responsibility for her actions.

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Emmie Sue
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Date Posted: 08:49:03 10/06/24 Sun

Okay, I get it, okay?

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Aunt Nat
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Date Posted: 09:41:16 10/06/24 Sun

I agree with Wondering and Thea. You are a very naughty girl and need to fess up and take responsibility for your actions.

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Alex
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Date Posted: 23:18:48 10/04/24 Fri

Morning ES. Now that you have experienced your first? Do you think that your behaviour or attitude will change knowing what lies in wait for you? Well done in getting it out the way. I don`t think we will have long to wait for your next installment. The first is not the worst. It is the second. Because now you have experienced the pain and the shame. Good luck with your journey. You even have Maddie cheering for you. Take care. Alex.

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Emmie Sue
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Date Posted: 05:07:48 10/06/24 Sun

Alex;
I think it already has because I sure tf don't want to willingly do that again. Not like that. The bad girl spankings I got before were one thing, but that's not something I want to go through on a regular basis.

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Emmie Sue
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Date Posted: 05:10:03 10/06/24 Sun

And I sure tf don't want to find out what the other implements are like.

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Emmie Sue
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Date Posted: 05:13:50 10/06/24 Sun

I mean, I'm not like a wild child or anything and I'm not like a lot of people my age who do really stupid, mean or dangerous things, but I admit I got a way with A LOT growing up that I probably shouldn't have and should have paid a price for, so it's an adjustment. Having rules and boundaries and consequences.

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