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Subject: I don’t think it’s unfortunate at all. Ohio sent their strongest contender and she did well. She clearly worked hard. Winning congeniality speaks volumes more about Brittany than a placement. Both would have been nice, but this was a competitive MVA year and also it seems like the organization doesn’t know what they’re looking for yet so I’m just not sure she prepped for the right vibe, but still a strong performance on stage the state can feel good about. Looks definitely seem to play a huge role so it will be interesting to see where Ava places next year, assuming she takes the crown. Rooting for her because I do think she could place and represent us well with the other women. Author: No name [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 03:13:56 06/25/23 Sun In reply to: 's message, "Results of Volunteer were unfortunate. Ohio was middle of the pack but she won congeniality and non-finalist honorable mention. Second year in a row that Ohio was dead in the middle. We need to get other girls sent, maybe younger ones" on 01:55:30 06/25/23 Sun [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> Subject: She was not the strongest, Ava was. Ava had the whole package: talented, pretty, fit and thin (as most dancers are), smart and knows what looks good on her on stage. Aside from her talent costume Brittany didn’t look good on stage. The hairpiece wasn’t blended and was frizzy and her gown looked like an Elvira. Brittany just speaks better because she’s much older and a lawyer. That’s not to say Ava isn’t well spoken. Brittany just has 5 years and a law degree on her. Sadly, for reasons I don’t understand, it seems MOV isn’t going to crown Ava. It will probably be Caroline and we will be back to hearing that mom crow on here. Author: No name [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:06:52 06/25/23 Sun [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: I have judged Ava. She comes off incredibly fake and rehearsed and unlikeable in interviews. If she can tone that down and come off like a relatable, friendly young woman, I think that will help tremendously. She has the rest! And I bet she really is a nice gal; it's just those interviews count for a lot and leave a lasting impression. Author: No name [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:31:30 06/25/23 Sun [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: How many times have you judged Ava and when was it? You seem to say the same thing about her over and over on this board, but a lot can change in a few months let alone a few years. Also, I don’t think she sounds fake. She sounds like a seasoned pageant competitor. Author: No name [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 20:42:52 06/25/23 Sun [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: How many times have you judged Ava in competition? You're attempting to devalue this person's experience based on criteria you haven't met yourself. Author: people don't change their stripes [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:00:58 06/26/23 Mon [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Interview is only 25% in Volunteer. All areas of comp are equally weighted at 25% so it doesn’t count “a lot.” Even if Brittany beat her by a lot in interview she didn’t hold a candle to her in fitness, talent or evening gown. It’s ridiculous to think otherwise. At least she can’t do Volunteer again or MAO. She’d look silly in USA. Baylee posted on instagram that she went to Tennessee for Volunteer. I wonder if she will compete at MOV. Author: No name [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 23:23:57 06/25/23 Sun [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: OMG- listen to yourself... "All areas of comp are equally weighted at 25% so it doesn’t count “a lot". LOL. You can't have it both ways-- all are equal, but yet interview doesn't count 'a lot'. Author: No name [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:11:11 06/26/23 Mon [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: What you're missing is a girl can have an average talent and still win. She can have an average gown or fitness and still win, but if she's not capable and LIKABLE in interview, it's OVER for her. It's the one competition that affects all the others. Author: No name [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:22:54 06/26/23 Mon [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: As a judge, after interviews you're hoping that the best interviewers- the leaders, the 'winners', the standouts, can also perform on stage. They are they ones you're excited about and looking forward to watching, as they are in contention for the court and crown. But for the rest of the girls after interview, the truth is, they're out of contention. They may win talent, gown, and/or fitness, but they're not winning the title. Author: No name [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:39:17 06/26/23 Mon [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Then what’s the point of the pageant? Call it toastmasters with a crown. If all areas are equal then theoretically a girl should be able to do great in 3 of 4 areas and still win if any one wasn’t great. And that’s clearly how MVA judged bc those that say the winner’s interview have said it was bad. Brittany was the opposite and probably did well in interview and flopped everywhere else and didn’t make the semifinals. No matter what anyone says MVA is a beauty pageant that gives out scholarships. You can be really accomplished but if you aren’t beautiful and are overweight you won’t make it to the top. Author: No name [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:27:13 06/26/23 Mon [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: All scoring is equal; all competitions are not. Bottom line- if you come off wrong in interview, you're not winning. I'm sorry this disappoints your idealism. It's why they have Final Ballot- to award, but not crown, girls who are overall not the best choice for the title, on THAT day, leaving the best woman crowned. Author: No name [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:40:00 06/26/23 Mon [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Gurl- you don't know your history, lol. "You can be really accomplished but if you aren’t beautiful and are overweight you won’t make it to the top."-- Miss America 1921- 2017. Author: No name [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:46:13 06/26/23 Mon [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Your thoughts in reverse: Ava doesn't hold a candle to Brittney in interview- in likability, maturity or intellect. It’s ridiculous to think otherwise. Brittney was consistent onstage and the best candidate of the bunch to send (Caroline Trennepohl was 2RU). Author: ps, you're a loser [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:54:40 06/26/23 Mon [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: I haven't judged Ava directly in competition, but I've known her for many years. I've done mock interviews with her. She comes off as a know it all. She's very smart and she's very aware of it, which is great. But the way she presents her intelligence can come off as cold and condescending. Ava can seem very fake, especially in the interview room. Its a shame, because she is a very strong competitor. She is also a sore loser, which doesn't help her case. She gets major tunnel vision and assumes she will win, and I think some of that comes out in her interviews as well, if I had to guess. Author: No name [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:33:05 07/14/23 Fri [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Brittney is a genuinely decent person who is inheriently considerate of others. She is well educated and comes off as mentally mature, personally disciplined, and solid as a person. I was delighted she won Miss Congeniality, as it reflects who she is, as seen by her *competitors*. It's fun to brag on your girl for winning talent or interview, but your girl is a true gem if she's voted Miss Congeniality. Author: VERY proud of how she's represented Ohio. [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:45:25 06/26/23 Mon [ Post a Reply to This Message ]