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Subject: The only local that will help and prep the girls is Portsmouth/Chillicothe look at their track record. Author: No name [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 19:52:43 06/18/24 Tue In reply to: It's an insular program where they encourage EDs & girls to keep the program's indiscretions 'in the family'. 's message, "When it becomes publicly known that you fix your pageant, it kills your local pageant program & any new contestant recruitment. In 2021 the girls held a 2am intervention with Steven Sat night & the entire T10 along with 7 other contestants left the program. From that, they lost 4 locals with 6 titles- decades running Miss Miami Valley/ Miss Montgomery County. They lost Miss Capital City/ Miss Franklin Co (and that ED now runs Ohio Vol). They lost Miss Akron/Canton & another long time pageant, Miss Northwestern Ohio. After the MAO took Ohio's license in 2014 & gave back to Stephen, another whole fiasco, Ohio lost 4 locals with 8 titles- Miss Greater Columbus/ Miss Central Ohio; Miss West Central, Miss Appleblossom, & Miss Crystal Lake; Miss Southeastern Ohio; Miss Mansfield/Miss North Central Ohio and has lost Miss Vacationland- ED was Jackie Mayer; and Miss Fallen Timbers, Miss All American City, & Miss Maumee Valley pageants, all within his tenure." on 14:12:53 06/18/24 Tue [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> Subject: Let’s get the semantics correct. MAO didn’t renew the franchise in the fall of 2014. At the time the program was on a year by year renewal. It wasn’t taken from the existing board at the time Author: No name [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 20:38:04 06/18/24 Tue [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Then why was that the only time there was an RFP? Look, it’s water under the bridge at this point. The question is how do we get more locals now. Author: No name [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:59:07 06/19/24 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: You won't, MA is a hot mess why would you commit yourself to Ohio mess either Author: No name [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:23:19 06/19/24 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Yeah, but back in Sam's day, they had "not renewed" only 2 states in the history of MA- DE bc they allowed a girl who was age ineligible to compete and she won, and I think FL, for "auditors mistakes" that led to crowning the wrong girl. The former FL ED was embezzling from the org for years (and eventually went to Federal prison for it). Author: more [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:13:10 06/21/24 Fri [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: and since you are arguing semantics, let's call it like it was. Long ago, Stephen didn't like the Teen director (but he liked her money), so the board passed a resolution that after 10ys members would have to step down, so they could get rid of her. What they really didn't think through was at some point, it would affect them. Stephen was forced to step down after the 2014 season and knew the board that had been working to get him out for years would not reinstate him. So, he went to Sam. No explanation was ever given as to why the MAO "did not renew" Ohio's license and an RFP was released. Sam gave the license right back to Stephen and the whole ruse was exposed. It absolutely crushed those of us who believed Miss America was run legitimately, finding out the national program- Sam, was just as corrupt and self-serving we knew Ohio to be. Author: No name [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:35:58 06/21/24 Fri [ Post a Reply to This Message ]