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Date Posted: 20:10:12 02/10/24 Sat
Author: Derek (to Jeff)
Subject: Re: Introducing our two sons (13yo, 15yo) to diaper discipline
In reply to: Jeff 's message, "Re: Introducing our two sons (13yo, 15yo) to diaper discipline" on 12:34:42 02/10/24 Sat

>You mentioned realizing the benefits of diaper discipline >the more you read about it. Did it match up with the >results you have gotten after implementing it? Why do you >feel it became (as you put it) an obvious choice? Was the >boys reaction what you were expecting, or was there any >worry they would resist or try to take their diapers off?

Yes, we have been very happy with the results so far. We expected it to be difficult for the boys to adjust, but we think we've really given them a shock and motivation to improve their behaviour. It became an obvious choice because nothing else seemed to work (grounding, spanking, etc), so my wife and I knew we needed something drastic. The boys' reacted a little better than we expected to be honest, especially Chase. We have had no incidents so far of the boys resisting (physically) or attempting to remove their diapers.

>When I asked what kind of diapers you were using, I meant >what brand of disposables and where did you get them? >Because you might be able to find a better price with bulk >orders online, possibly with monthly subscriptions from >some suppliers or even stuffers that make a change not >needed as often.

Ah, I misunderstood. We bulk-purchased Tranquility Smartcore Disposable Briefs for the boys, size small. But as I mentioned, we will very soon be switching to cloth diapers. We have not decided which brand yet.

>I have a feeling the boys will like the cloth even less, so >you might offer to let them wear the disposables sometimes >if their behavior is good.

We had not thought about this, good idea. We will consider this if they end up preferring the disposable diapers.

>And it's good that you have some close family friends who >are still happy to bring their kids over. Sounds like they >must have been understanding and supportive upon learning >of your boys new rules.

Yes, they're good kids, raised by good parents. We've known them since our boys were little.

>I'm curious why you feel the boys will still be in diapers >after 12 months. Of course there's no rule that says if you >take them out at any point, the diapers can never come >back. If their behavior improves to where you want it, you >could still keep the diapers at the ready for shorter >stints around the house such as a weekend, or family >events.

That's true, however my wife and I just have a feeling that it will take a while for them to truly take their punishment on board and to turn their behaviour around. We fear that if we took them out of diapers now (for example), that things would just slip back to how they were before, even with the threat of being diapered now looming over their heads. We also feel that both boys need to be punished properly - a few weeks in diapers (say) would not be enough to send a real message in my opinion. We also want to avoid putting them in and taking them out of diapers repeatedly. From what we've read, an important part of diaper punishment is for kids to be forced to use diapers for a long enough period that they start to lose bowel and bladder control, adding the embarassment of feeling like a baby who can't control when they pee or poop themselves. The best way to achieve that is to force them to wear and use diapers for at least a few months. And finally, being in diapers 24/7 is very effective at keeping them out of trouble, which Peter in particular needs right now.

But as I mentioned, we will now review their behaviour every three months (and they're already around a month in of course).

>But that still sounds like a long way off. In the meantime, >you mentioned changing them on the kitchen table. I'm sure >that works perfectly fine and getting an actual changing >table (like other posters have mentioned) would be a big >hassle. But you might want to make sure there are no >distractions around the room (like a tv) nearby. Or >sometimes change the boys individually so you can encourage >some one on one conversations.

We will stick to our routine for now, but thank you for the suggestions. A changing table feels like an unnecessary expense at the moment, as the kitchen table works perfectly for now. I'm sure our diaper changing routine will adjust over time as the four of us learn more about the practicalities of diaper punishment. It is a good point about the distractions though. We have not had many individual changing sessions yet (only so far for example when one boy has an activity after school and the other one is at home), but we may make them more frequent in future.

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