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Date Posted: 22:57:14 01/30/03 Thu
Author: redsea
Subject: Siena deserved the win, officials were awful for both
Refs were so bad. After a series of bad calls--neither side was favored in my opinion--one of them actually blew the whistleto stop play for a backcourt call, realized that the ball had been blocked into the backcourt by Deng Gai, and then had to award the ball to Siena--even though they hadn't yet gained possession--and announce to the scorers table that "it was my mistake, I forgot Gai had blocked it, sorry". What a bunch of Morons.
Siena's rebounds--plus a wild three point make by Karangwa with Fairfield closing--was the difference. Deng Gai actually caught the ballin traffic and almost got a foul call and almost made the basket with 3.7 seconds to go.
Hoping Stags get it together before the tourney. Tough, tough loss at home. Good crowd.
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Re: Siena deserved the win, officials were awful for both -- Jasper_Bum, 23:01:19 01/30/03 Thu
Typical MAAC refs!!!!! They really are awful!
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Re: Siena deserved the win, officials were awful for both -- Bob, 23:26:23 01/30/03 Thu
Two of the officials, Michael Kitts and Robert Donato, are not "Typical MAAC refs". They regularly work Big East & ACC games, and are among the best known officials in the nation.
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Re: Siena deserved the win, officials were awful for both -- METOO, 07:10:19 01/31/03 Fri
Once again, it must be pointed out that these refs are predominately middle-aged men who work almost every night of the week. With travel demands and in some cases other full-time employment, they don't have the requisite stamina for such schedules. I think they coast at MAAC games and focus on prime time conferences.
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Besides the corrected error on the over & back what was so bad? -- Menzies, 17:34:09 01/31/03 Fri
I watched Michael Kitts last night. You may be right that he is worn down from doing to many games. But he wasn't consciously coasting.
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criminally inconsistent -- redsea, 19:46:05 01/31/03 Fri
5 fouls called in the first 7 minutes--no calls on any inside drives, and the obvious body contact that resulted. Then, out of nowhere, every touch foul gets called. Inconsistent all night. Outside ref calling fouls hapening fright in front of the ref under the basket. And all night long, the whistle on a foul was delayed by a good solid 3 count. Two or three times it seemed like ref was waiting to see if shot when in before he called a foul, that's how big a delay there seemed to be.
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Referee membership -- METOO, 14:03:35 02/01/03 Sat
I would estimate that there are approximately 300 Division One games per week at this time of the year, requiring 900 referee assignments. How large is the membership nationwide(or even in the east, if you have that information)?I think a lot of guys don't work while the good ones like Kitts and Burr have full schedules.
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Well at least the ref's are consistent! -- MaacGruff, 08:10:22 01/31/03 Fri
Because they were equally bad in Albany 10 days ago and not really to any one teams advantage. Just horrible.
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Re: Siena deserved the win, officials were awful for both -- Menzies, 10:29:34 01/31/03 Fri
Au contraire. Referees are not perfect either, not a shocking statement. That was good officiating. He made a mistake and he fixed it. Neither team was harmed.
I'd like to try and connect two things I thought about last night. What referees are asked to do is not only make the right call but do it immediately. There was a block on a lay up. It could have been a block or a foul. I can't pretend to know. The ref called foul (maybe you remember this one) but he hesitated SLIGHTLY, maybe 1/2 sec or 1/4 sec. I am pretty sure there was a much larger crowd reaction because of this VERY short delay. Conclusion is, obviously, that referees really have to zone in on their area of responsibility - which constantly changes BTW. Now Michael Kitts sees the Siena player go over the line to retrieve the ball. He calls over and back...but corrects it immediately.
I did my training and started officiating this year. The action moves very fast and it is 1000 times harder to have the responsibility to call the game on the floor than it is to "call" the game from your seat. Michael Kitts is a superb referee but mistakes get made by all of them. The key is fairness and consistency in an everchanging contest. I wasn't perfect on my job yesterday. That all being said, he was part of a large mistake in a Seton Hall / Georgetown game were Seton Hall had 6 players on the floor and no one noticed.
Here is a good one from last night though it counts as good officiating but detracts from the theatre of the game. When Rob Lanier was doing his "swirl and stomp" when FU was granted a time out in a scramble for the ball. The ref who made the call (I believe) ended up by Lanier who was trying to see how much indignation he could express. Kitts sprinted up the sideline straight at Lanier and his refereeing partner and just stood there in support of his partner. Lanier stopped immediately, situation defused. Excellent officiating. Referees are schooled to prevent technical fouls. They are good entertainment but bad for the "game".
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Re: Siena deserved the win, officials were awful for both -- METOO, 11:21:50 01/31/03 Fri
Agree that the official you cited is one of the best. But his DC to Bridgeport trip for MAAC game one day after a major Big East game is illustrative of the grinding schedule some of these men have. And it's everyday and sometimes less than 24 hours between gigs. Many NBA players in superb condition don't function well in that scenario.
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