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Date Posted: 09:06:19 02/09/12 Thu
Author: George
Subject: White-washing the Tomb
In reply to: Lois 's message, "Re: Will the real Restoration church please stand up . . ." on 22:47:33 02/05/12 Sun

>>>>Remember that game, What's My Line?
>>>>Members of the c-not-of-c (legal name Community of
>>>>Christ) claim that they are the continuation of the
>>>>Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day
>>>>Saints. I don't think even the courts can make that
>>>>true. They have tried to be all things to all
>>people.
>>>>------------
>>>
>>> >>>href="http://www.cofchrist.org/news/GeneralInfo.asp#o
>f
>>f
>>>icials">http://www.cofchrist.org/news/GeneralInfo.asp
>#
>>o
>>>fficials
>>>
>>>Community of Christ
>>>General Denominational Information
>>>
>>>This is what they say:
>>>
>>>HISTORY
>>>
>>>The church was legally organized on April 6, 1830,
>>>in Fayette, New York. Following the assassination
>>>of founder Joseph Smith Jr. in 1844, the church split
>>>into multiple groups. Joseph Smith III succeeded his
>>>father and was ordained prophet-president of this
>>>denomination on April 6, 1860.
>>>------
>>>
>>>And then this is what they turn around and say in
>>>order to gain admittance into the National Council of
>>>Churches:
>>>-------
>>>
>>> >>>href="http://www.ncccusa.org/witnesses2010/ga-merc-re
>p
>>o
>>>rt-community-of-christ.pdf">http://www.ncccusa.org/wi
>t
>>n
>>>esses2010/ga-merc-report-community-of-christ.pdf
>>>
>>>page 2
>>>
>>>The Membership and Ecclesial Relations Committee
>>>(MERC) of the General Assembly of the National
>Council
>>>of the Churches of Christ in the USA and Church World
>>>Service recommends to the 2010 General Assembly that
>>>the membership application of the Community of Christ
>>>(COC) be approved. This recommendation is based on
>>>a careful review of written materials provided by the
>>>COC,
>>>
>>>page 3
>>>
>>>It is always important at the onset of any
>>>discussion of the spiritual roots of Community of
>>>Christ to note that its founder is not [Joseph Smith]
>>>of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
>>>(LDS), but his son, Joseph Smith III,
>>>---------------
>>>
>>>How can they have two distinctly different histories?
>>>By their own logic Grant McMurray, who resigned
>>>suddenly as president, was the founder of the
>>>Community of Christ. That is when they changed their
>>>name from Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of
>Latter
>>>Day Saints to Community of Christ. Maybe they should
>>>get their history straight for their website.
>>>
>>>Submitted by Lois
>>
>> >>href="http://www.ncccusa.org/witnesses2010/ga-merc-rep
>o
>>rt-community-of-christ.pdf">http://www.ncccusa.org/wit
>n
>>esses2010/ga-merc-report-community-of-christ.pdf
>>
>>We Share
>>Identity, Mission,
>>Message, and Beliefs
>>(this is prepared by the Community of Christ, so the
>>credit or blame goes to them.)
>>
>>page 10
>>
>>The story of the church is one of unusual faith,
>>vision,
>>and creativity in response to God�s call. We can
>>clearly
>>see God�s Spirit active in every chapter of our faith
>>story.
>>What began with a teenager seeking God in
>>prayer in
>>the early 1800s continues today. God gives each
>>generation
>>insights, experiences, and challenges for divine
>>purposes.
>>-------------
>>
>>Notice how they just can't say the name of Joseph
>>Smith Jr. Instead he is some anonymous "teenager".
>>
>>Submitted by Lois
>
>https://dialoguejournal.com/wp-content/u....e_V39N04_39
>.pdf
>
>page 18
>
>Grant McMurray and the Succession Crisis in the
>Community of Christ
>by William D. Russell
>
>. . . . two people objected to the fact that "seer and
>revelator" had been left out of the statement by the
>Twelve recommending Veazey to be "president of the
>high priesthood, prophet and president of the church."
>They cited the language of "prophet, seer and
>revelator" in Doctrine and Covenants 104:42 (LDS D&C
>107:92). Apostle Dale E. Luffman, presiding
>over the meeting, suggested that the word "prophet"
>pretty well covers "seer and revelator" also, then
>later noted that "seer" and "revelator" connote
>"images of magic and folklore" that, he suggested, no
>longer serve us well.
>
>Dale E. Luffman, email to William D. Russell, June 28,
>2005.
>-------
>
>Submitted by Lois

Lois, Edgar Cayce pretty much killed off the utility of the word "prophet" as well. Prophet, seer, and revelator don't conjure up images of Jesus Christ any more. They make someone think of the cliched magician, or "knower" who is in every action story to fix all the problems of the young hero. After all, in Star Wars, we find that the "knower" lies to the hero all the time on account of the fact that the lie is expedient.

Sounds to me as if the leaders of the Community of Christ don't want to be recognized for what they are. Soothsayers, seers, fortunetellers, prophets, and whatnot, are all fakes these days, who tell people what they want to hear in exchange for material or political advantage. If homosexuality is a problem, the seer tells the community that Almighty God is angry with them for rejecting perversion itself, (not for rejecting the pervert) and that they need to have an "attitude adjustment" to get them to match the seer's own personal prejudices on the subject.

If money is a problem(as in the late 1970's for Jerry Falwell) the "seer" has a vision of a 900 ft tall Jesus who says that he will cash in the prophet's chips if the needed money is not forthcoming.

Alternately, visions of Jesus swinging from the rafters of the temple, grabs the sword of Damocles, and uses it to dispense blessings on select groups of perverts.

If one does not like one's profession, one should change the profession, not the name of it. The change from "mortician" or to "funeral director" doesn't change the profession any at all. One is still handling dead bodies, and arranging for their honorable disposal, along with all the perceived ritual uncleanness that goes along with the business. Folks who don't like others to be consciously aware of the fact they handle corpses have to change jobs. The same is true of "seers."

George

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Re: White-washing the Tomb -- Lois, 21:09:16 02/09/12 Thu
- Re: White-washing the Tomb -- Lois, 20:20:24 02/11/12 Sat
  - Re: White-washing the Tomb -- George, 23:42:33 02/11/12 Sat