Canisius looking to cut $15M due to decline in students -- Canisius University Golden Griffins

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[> [> Re: Canisius looking to cut $15M due to decline in students -- Guest, Thu, October 10 2024, 11:01:11

Nope, just the opposite. They are adding sports and using athletics as enrollment management. I am hearing it is acrobatics and bowling. It sounds exciting, doesn’t it? I bet they wish they could get the 100+ bodies back when they dropped football.

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[> [> [> Re: Canisius looking to cut $15M due to decline in students -- GoldenGriff32 (Football), Fri, October 11 2024, 10:25:44

Still mad about dropping Football.

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[> Re: Canisius looking to cut $15M due to decline in students -- BfloGriff, Thu, October 10 2024, 5:26:17

I heard from an Alum at the Coaches Caravan that enrollment was 1800 this Fall. That was alarming. But I was also told several months ago that CU was in the silent phase of a 150 MM Development Fund drive. We also know that Alma Mater has sued her insurance company for offering a less than fair settelment for the damage caused by the 2022 blizard. We also know we have Prestdent Steve who has a plan to grow Canisius.BG is with Team Steve.

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[> [> Re: Canisius looking to cut $15M due to decline in students -- BfloGriff, Thu, October 10 2024, 12:08:24

Here's a PS. When BG posted this AM he had not seen the story in the Buffalo News:" Canisius looks to cut $15M, 'double down' on new vision" or the story on the WBEN Audacity web site:" Canisius unveils new Buffalo Promise Scholarship program".It seems things are looking up at CU, not down.A little time, patience and some prayers to Sts. Peter and IGGY (Ignatius) won't hurt. Team Steve knows what they're doing IMO. It looks they've been paddling below the surface like all those Ducks. Keep paddling Ducks. Griffs too!

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[> Re: Canisius looking to cut $15M due to decline in students -- STFU, Thu, October 10 2024, 6:15:27

Every school has financial issues today based on the shortage of high school students. For Canisius & other schools they need to figure out their value proposition. The first step should be attracting less local kids & providing so much financial aid. This model is not sustainable long term.

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[> Re: Canisius looking to cut $15M due to decline in students -- Not a typical cut situation..., Thu, October 10 2024, 6:50:43

It's more about driving down deficits to put the school in a better position to receive more investment for the student experience.

As for Athletics and individual sports, it's already thin. If anything, I'd bet there's more funding and a new sport to help increase enrollment revenue.

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[> [> Re: Canisius looking to cut $15M due to decline in students -- notsogood, Fri, October 11 2024, 5:13:09

Hockey - Canisius doesn't own the rink

If we wanted to keep enrollment up, should have never dropped football.

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[> [> [> Re: Canisius looking to cut $15M due to decline in students -- Griffs39, Fri, October 11 2024, 15:50:06

I don't think dropping football has had anything to do with declining enrollment. Would think most universities/colleges in the area have seen a decline in enrollment.

Football was already gone by the time I arrived as a freshman.

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[> [> [> [> Re: Canisius looking to cut $15M due to decline in students -- bingo..., Sat, October 12 2024, 8:26:12

Canisius doesn't have the infrastructure to field a viable FCS team. If the NCAA had a D3 option for D1 schools, Canisius and others would jump all over it.

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: Canisius looking to cut $15M due to decline in students -- left-coast griff, Sun, October 13 2024, 13:28:25

Exactly. This rule needs to change. DII and DIII schools can sponsor one D1 sport (Union in hockey, Johns Hopkins in lacrosse, etc.) DI schools should be able to sponsor DIII football.

The I-AA Pioneer League is not an option, travel costs are out of this world.

We could play a regional DIII schedule against Buff State, Rochester, Alfred, Cortland, St. John Fisher, Hamilton, Alfred State, Brockport, Ithaca, Union ... and travel to every game by bus, and add 100 tuition/fees-paying students to our enrollment.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Canisius looking to cut $15M due to decline in students -- Cager, Mon, October 14 2024, 7:00:20

I would love to see the return of D3 football. Games against Buff State, Alfred, St. John fisher, Brockport, and others could make a nice conference, and result in the addition of about 8o students. I always enjoyed the get togethers after the games. go Griffs!!!

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: Canisius looking to cut $15M due to decline in students -- notsogood, Sun, October 13 2024, 17:58:20

pioneer league, 120 kids paying tuition seems like exactly what we need.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Canisius looking to cut $15M due to decline in students -- left-coast griff, Mon, October 14 2024, 13:25:03

The travel costs make the Pioneer League impossible. We would be flying to every opponent except Dayton and Marist.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Canisius looking to cut $15M due to decline in students -- This guy gets it..., Tue, October 15 2024, 10:54:11

By the way, there would need to be new locker rooms, updates to Demske, hire a staff, etc. It would be a nightmare to add football unless someone is cutting a multi-million check.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> 120 football players x 31k, 3.7 million -- notsogood, Tue, October 15 2024, 17:38:41

we shouldn't have dropped football in the 2000s, we were too arrogate to realize we needed the revenue.

120 football players x 31k, 3.7 million could easily pay for a few things, living on campus, getting a meal plan, etc.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: 120 football players x 31k, 3.7 million -- Griff, Wed, October 16 2024, 15:32:04

Drake's stadium seats 14,557 people. Bucknell 13,100. Dayton 11,000. Not even close to possible at Demske. Where in the world would they play???

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> drake football 696,839 -- notsogood, Wed, October 16 2024, 4:31:24

Drake spent 696,839 on football while making money on it. Canisius would be making close to 2 million on pioneer football.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Canisius looking to cut $15M due to decline in students -- ARJ, Tue, October 15 2024, 17:31:37

It would have to be a multi million check every year.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: We had FCS football! -- Griff, Thu, October 17 2024, 2:57:55

What is this list? Duquesne, Georgetown, RMU, and Mercyhurst are not in the Pioneer League. Davidson just built a brand new 5,000 seat stadium (below). Where would that go in and/or around the Canisius campus?

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> seating capacity -- notsogood, Thu, October 17 2024, 5:23:24

Ultimately, we shouldn't have discontinued the football program. We’ve lost numerous donors and potential supporters as a result.

We don’t need a large stadium for FCS Pioneer League football, and our size is comparable to many other FCS programs I've already mentioned.

Additionally, with the new roster limits in hockey, that program is likely to become another financial strain on the department.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: seating capacity -- Griff, Thu, October 17 2024, 18:51:22

You don't need a large stadium for the Pioneer League? So the Pioneer League would take on a brand new program with zero infrastructure and potential seating capacity of maybe 2000 people below their smallest stadium? Come on man. This discussion has gotten stupid. The basketball season is 18 days away and we're talking about this?

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> figured you out -- notsogood, Fri, October 18 2024, 16:27:07

The decision not to drop football in the early 2000s was a mistake we should have avoided. Canisius is currently facing a crisis in its athletics program and isn't in a position to add any new sports. The roster caps resulting from the house settlement are going to significantly impact us, especially as hockey is forced to cut players. We were already at a disadvantage, and the introduction of NIL only makes things more challenging.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: figured you out -- Griff, Fri, October 18 2024, 17:07:01

Please enlighten us as to this athletic department "crisis".

So your solution to right a 20+ year error (in your eyes) is to build a 10,000 seat stadium in and/or around a land locked school so we can get 800 people on a Saturday afternoon in October to watch Drake? Got it.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: figured you out -- not so good, Fri, October 18 2024, 18:02:47

No, ship has sailed.

enrollment is way down and retention is way down. some majors have single digit enrollment

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: seating capacity -- Guarantee..., Sat, October 19 2024, 3:00:39

Canisius will add another sport within the next 24 months. It's just not going to be football.

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[> Re: Canisius looking to cut $15M due to decline in students -- Tweak, Sun, October 13 2024, 23:57:44

If the athletic department is adding sports; would love for them to explore men's/women's wrestling as an option

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[> [> Re: Canisius looking to cut $15M due to decline in students -- Not happening., Mon, October 14 2024, 16:21:50

Rugby, tumbling, flag football.

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[> [> [> Re: Canisius looking to cut $15M due to decline in students -- Tweak, Wed, October 16 2024, 1:00:30

Hey I knew it was unlikely - just personal preference and wanted to put the smallest effort possible to speak it into existence

At least they are both relatively inexpensive sports and largely treated as enrollment boosters as smaller schools so it was more realistic than football

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