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Date Posted: 17:53:54 09/06/01 Thu
Author: Goktimus Prime
Subject: Could you please cut down on the amount of swearing in your subject headers?
In reply to: Drunkenmaster 's message, "Why people compare shit to movies" on 23:17:57 09/05/01 Wed

>Everybody knows there acting, but the directors, make
>sure, it's like the real thing! I havnt seen either
>those movies for ages, but, there is a fare bit of
>realism in it!
>

Have you ever worked on a film before??

A director is out to tell a story. As George Lucas once said, "everything in movies is fake."

The ultimate goal of a movie is to tell a story and to entertain an audience -- not to completely accurately portray reality.

That's what documentaries are for. Notice the difference between a regular movie and the re-enactment footage seen on channels like National Geographic, Discovery or the History Channel. It's a VERY different style.

And as someone else already pointed out earlier on this thread, the kinds of moves people do in self-defence videos is very different to the kind of fighting techniques used in movies.

Movie martial arts are purely designed to LOOK fancy in order to ENTERTAIN an audience (as is a primary objective of a movie). The real practicality of these moves are completely irrelevant to the objectives of the filmmaker, thus it is almost always completely absent.

>Only a kid would think them moves are real, if ya
>human, and know what the human body is capable of,
>hehe, ya know there not real moves! Making them moves
>look real though, is what has made him popular!
>

How can these moves look real if they utterly defy laws of physics/common sense?

>Why would it surprise you that most martial arts
>classes are "very low standard" because the average
>person, doesnt do martial arts!

It's true though. The majority of martial arts schools out there are just crap.

And although your average citizen wouldn't be trained in the martial arts, it would be DANGEROUS to presume that your attacker is an incompetent fighter.

It's always safer for yourself to presume that your enemy is at least potentially faster, stronger and better than you. Many people get hurt in fights from underestimating the opponent.

>Thing that makes a Martial arts school "very low
>stamdard" would be, a shonky teacher!
>

There's plenty of them out there.

>
>cool
>
>I've learned a fare bit from movies really, e.g.
>Stealth "ninja movies", Fighting "fighting movies",
>I've put them into use, and they work, thats why i
>compare shit to movies!

How have they worked?
Who were you fighting against? Were they also trained fighters or just drunk bums?

If you're referring to that fight you told me about on the IRC channel, then it would seem that you were just lucky to be up against BAD (unskilled) opponents.

Also, quoting a few incidents from your own experience like that is like citing a piece of anecdotal evidence, which is academically considered to be the weakest form of evidence (because it could just be a one off fluke thing).

Has there been any other research conducted on the effectiveness of using movie martial arts in real combat?

What personal research have you done yourself? Have you CROSS TRAINED with other skilled fighters?

Cross training is a good way to gauge your fighting prowess, as when you train in your own martial art school, you're often just training against other people of your same style. Cross training can show how effective (or uneffective) your style is against other styles for which you've never trained against.

A good fighting style should be able to hold up in cross training.

>even in video games, like flight sims, war games, all
>takes strategy,

So does chess, but that's not combat simulation.

>even though i havnt flown a x-wing, or
>a harrier, I can say I've seen people fly em before,
>from the movies, i then use there tactics/strategy,
>and alls sweet!

That's true. Martial arts fighting DOES involve a lot of tactical analysis and thinking. e.g.: When to use a high punch, when to use a low punch etc etc.

Check out "The Art of War" by Sunzi if you already haven't. I'm sure you'll get more benefit from that than any corny Kung Fu flick. :-)

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freedom of speech bitch lol -- Drunkenmaster, 22:58:03 09/16/01 Sun
- Re: freedom of speech bitch lol -- Goktimus Prime, 18:00:12 09/23/01 Sun
  - Re: freedom of speech bitch lol -- MoJ0, 06:06:48 04/04/02 Thu