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Date Posted: 21:53:48 12/03/04 Fri
Author: One!life
Author Host/IP: dialup-4.245.33.64.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net / 4.245.33.64
Subject:

One!life > Hello schwabralife! Gift given/life taken/Jesus gave his life
In reply to: schwabra 's message, "Jesus" on 19:58:24 09/21/04 Tue

Date Posted: 19:58:24 09/21/04 Tue
Author: schwabra
Author Host/IP: dialup-4.225.158.94.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net / 4.225.158.94
Subject: Jesus

I am sure you understand my disagreement to Jesus being the Ultimate truth.

I would also suggest that the Ultimate Truth is beyond our understanding and really irrelevant to who we are. We are here to experience life, not to deny it for someone else's idea of what is true.

The idea of sacrifice. The Sadducees pushed sacrifice, they needed to make the Temple central.

The Pharisees stressed works. Much like Judaism today, they tried to make Judaism do-able for everyone.

Did you realize that there were many Jews that did not live in Jerusalem (then and now). How would Jews outside make sacrifices? This was and still is the majority of Jews. How can anyone expect sacrifice to take on an almost daily part in a Jew's life?

Have you ever heard the theory that the Torah was actually a way to reduce sacrifice? First the most aromatic animals and parts of animals were forbidden from sacrificial use (pigs). Then the there was only one place to sacrfice, the Temple. Now the God that gave the Torah, took the Temple. This ended sacrifice.
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schwbralife share'd > Can you also understand
that Jesus being used
as a sacrifice seems wrong?

One!life > Ponder: sacrifice seems wrong,
but what about sueaside!

KJV Bible Reads:John 10:6,7,9,1117,18
This parable spake Jesus unto them:
but they understood not
what things they were
which he spake unto them.
Then "said Jesus" unto them
"I am the door" :
"I am the good shepherd" :
the "good shepherd "giveth" his life"

(Romans 11:29
For the "gifts" and calling of God
are "without repentance".)

for the sheep.
because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself.
I have power to lay it down,
and I have power to take it again.

Ponder: Did Jesus not know who he sent(chose)
to have himself captured and sacrifice (sueaside'd)!

KJV Bible Reads:
John 13:1,10,20,21,24-27
Now before the feast of the passover,
when Jesus knew that his hour was come
that he should depart out of this world
having loved his own
which were in the world,
he loved them unto the end.

Jesus said,He that receiveth whomsoever
I send receiveth me;
and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
Jesus testified, and said, one of you shall betray me.
Simon Peter, He then lying on Jesus' breast
saith unto him, Lord, who is it?
Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop,
when I have dipped it.
And when he had dipped the sop,
he gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon.
And after the sop Satan entered into him.
Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.

Love All ONE!
God Indeed Has Blessed All ONE!
One!life

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It is then a throw back to human sacrifice
at the time of Abraham.

Even Abraham was able to avoid sacrificing Isaac,
so shouldn't God have been able to avoid sacrificing
His son?

Even beyond that,
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Jesus was not prepared or treated in a way
to be considered a sacrifice.

He was beaten, and his flesh torn.
Then he was killed in a way to cause pain.
This is forbidden in Jewish sacrifice.

It is part of pagan practices.
his is one reason that the NT
is suggested to be more influenced
by non-Jews than Jews.

Jews would not have accepted it as a "sacrifice."

One!life >Ponder: What about sueaside!
breath of (life/Spirit/God) can not die!
Genesis 2:7
LORD God(Spirit/life) breathed
the breath of life(God/Spirit/life)
John 4:24 God is a Spirit
Romans 8:10 Spirit is life
2 Corinthians 3:17 Lord is that Spirit(God/life)
John 13:10,13,21 Jesus saith, Ye call me Lord (Spirit/God/life) and ye say well, for so I am (lord/Spirit/God/life/breath of (life/Spirit God)
When Jesus (Lord/Spirit/God/life) had thus said,
he testified, and said, one of you shall betray me.

Love U, Schwabralife!
Love All ONE!
God Indeed Has Blessed All ONE!
One!life

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Replies:

Re: One!life > Hello schwabralife! Gift given/life taken/Jesus gave his life -- Shoshanna, 23:55:09 10/17/05 Mon
- My reply to you -- schwabra, 13:12:21 10/20/05 Thu