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Date Posted: 22:18:05 08/08/01 Wed
In reply to:
Jason
's message, "fuck html" on 19:38:27 08/08/01 Wed
>since the board seems to be fixed now, i'll post my
>response to this here rather than in email...
>
>******second, i take real issue with you saying that
>you work a forty hour day and you don't just sit on
>your ass making prints. to me, it feels like you're
>implying that we (i) sit on our (my) ass(es) and just
>do what? press the keys? monitor a couple
>people?******
>
>i was not implying anything of anyone else. i was
>stating something of mine.
well, that's the thing. we ALL have work weeks like that, which i am sure you are aware of. so it doesnt hold up as a valid excuse, imo.
>and the time i tried to pass up info because i was
>going down to San Diego, i didnt receive a very warm
>response, and then after that it seemed like i had NO
>info at all.
that's obviously part of working in a group. you're not always going to get the response you want. youre not always going to get the support that you want or even maybe deserve. but that isn't a raeason to STOP doing things.
well, i tried once and it didnt work so there.
because that is what i am hearing.
>even though i stated from Day ONE that i was not doing
>this for the backstage passes or getting to any show
>of my choice or any other reason then to help RAINN
>out. and i am NOT about to compare everyone off to
>each other.
>
i dont think any of us were specifically doing it for the prizes because obviously, we're a big group and we are NOT all going to get something physical back out of this. but the time IS going to come when that stuff is there.
>
>maybe because by the time i knew about most of the
>fliers it was "hey we printed fliers, we have 500 of
>them!". but when i have seen them beforehand i have
>put my input in, and most of them i liked as they were
>so i said that.
>and who do you think designed the website? i did. no
>offense or nitpicking to audrey, actually props to
>audrey because she had to redo some of the designs
>because the files i saved on disk wouldnt open up on
>her computer, but i made and typed up the layout and
>we stayed up two long nights getting it up. and i'm
>not trying to say "oooh i did the website, i shouldnt
>have to do anything else" or rate that, but has anyone
>ever asked me to update the website with any info or
>input? i havent heard anything.
>
>and to be honest, since we are being honest here,
>before i went down to San Diego i was helping in what
>i could (website/licking-stuffing-stamping
>envelopes)because i knew what was going on, but after
>i came back, i find everything out on this board after
>its happened.
>
thats why we HAVE the board. so we can continually know whats going on. we've had votes on stuff on this board, posting back and forth and giving input. this board has been up for a while. but i havent seen your posts continually throughout it. i havent seen new threads of progress being added by you. even if its stuff thats already happened, we can get ideas from that and branch out and let people know what we've done so we dont overlap. god knows i complained about not being informed before things happened, and thats why the board came to be. i think its been a vital tool amongst all of us.
as for the fliers, yeah a bunch were printed beforehand. but then we all gave some info on how we wanted the last one to be, and audrey and val came up with a kick butt design and posted it so we could all see.
>
> if this is nothing new and you knew your work hours
>were going to be *that* large of a toll, i feel that
>you should have bowed out earlier.******
>
>i'm saying it was nothing new to you all. it was
>something i stated from day one.
and i am saying that it didn't seem like an issue that would incapacitate your ability to participate. when i ehar someone say, "i have a forty hour work week" i think, "okay, i do, too. they can comparably work to me and the rest of us." if you knew it was more than that, i think that should have been stated.
>
>here we go with the assuming...did you even ask me? i
>called the roxy and left a message. noone called back.
>how do we know we could have gotten that place for a
>grand? i was going to call the palladium but dor
>seemed jazzed on that idea so i asked her if she
>wanted to and she said she would. i called at least 2
>( i think it was 3 )other smaller club places which i
>cant remember because it was too long ago for me to
>remember, and i left messages with all concerning
>booking, and noone, NOONE called me back. and by the
>time i was ready to start looking for another listing
>of clubs, i was told we were gonna do Quest. so *that*
>is why i didnt pass any info off to anyone (except
>dor) because there was no info to pass off.
WHY should i have to ask you? if it's YOUR assignment, then YOU should be telling ME what kind of progress youve made, or lack thereof. you should be telling me that no one has called you back. you should be telling me that you called four places. you should be telling me that youve done some work. i said TO MY KNOWLEDGE i didn't know of you calling any places. obviously, my knowledge of what you've done depends on YOU and what you tell me. if they didnt answer, thats when you call them back twice a day every day getting them to call you back. you dont leave a message and then think oh well, their turn to call me back.
>and like i stated above, thats exactly why i didnt
>feel like i knew what was going on until after it
>happened. if you couldnt trust me i wish you would
>have stated that earlier rather than, what is it now?
>16 days before the event?
>
well, it took this long to be really apparent. because up until now, some initiative could have been taken.
>i guess i'm stressing over it NOW because i'm finding
>out NOW that noone trusted me or thought me
>"host-worthy" lately...and when was this ever going to
>be adressed if i had never mentioned anything? was it
>ever? or was i just going to find out after this thing
>that you all kinda scratched my name off of anything
>under the word "host"?
no, we were going to discuss it that day you posted, but schedules got fucked up. and i personally like to deal with people in person. but since you posted, im going to respond to that since it's there. its that simple. no conspiracy.
>
>
>and up until now i wasnt stressing about this maybe
>because i try NOT to stress about things no matter how
>stressful they are, but lately this has just been
>added to this HUGE shitlist in my life that keeps
>piling up and i'm sorry if my back is finally breaking
>and i'm not mr. happy right now but fuck it, i can
>only take so much.
THAT IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING. if this and the level of commitment it takes and the amount of physical work not just cheering everyone else on work is too much with other things in your life, or other things are more important, then you should consider stepping out of this. i'm not trying to kick you out. it's not only my party. i'm asking YOU to consider taking yourself out of it. if you feel like you can handle it and can jump in with the physical work, then fine.
>
>i didnt know there were certain levels set for
>achievement. i asked to be in charge of the auction, i
>helped in creating the website and have stated ideas
>in maintaining it further on past the event, i
>stuffed/licked/stamped envelopes, i emailed some
>musicians and companies about the event but
>unfortunately noone but Jewel's team responded (which
>i do have to follow up on like right now), i have
>passed out the few fliers i received before last night
>to shops in westwood and asked them to post them
>(whether or not they did is another question) and now
>that i have more fliers i can follow up on those, and
>this saturday (since i get paid on friday) i was going
>to make some full page fliers and go around WeHo
>stores and ask them to post them. is there something
>more i'm supposed to be doing? or should have done?
>please tell me.
come on, jason. you didnt think there were levels of achievement as far as hosts, helpers were concerned? so were you just completely oblivious to when the whole nick thing was happening? did you miss when david didnt get in touch with any of the dealerships? at that time, do you think they should have been and should still be considered hosts?
>
>and as far as i'm concerned, i'm hurt.
>thats all i can think of. i know there's been talks
>about people, behind people's backs, cuz i've been
>there hearing it, but deep down i kinda thought there
>was none going on behind mine because i wasnt talking
>behind others (karma...call me silly), but i know
>there was/maybe still is, i dont know, and thats what
>hurt.
>
>if any of you/all of you thought i wasn't pulling in
>my "fair share" of the weight, i wish you would have
>fucking asked me..but now it's this huge long post.
>
>these past four days i found out my dad had to have
>surgery last week because if he hadnt he would have
>died, or lost his arm at the least, i had to call 911
>at work because of some freak in my store and in
>calling 911 for the first time let me just say NOT a
>fun thing to do, and i had this mp3 thing over my
>head, which is the only reason why i thought about
>bowing out of this, because i know Dor has done a lot
>more work on this than i have and i did not want
>things to be tense for this event. for fucks sake its
>a charity event. so i asked Valerie her opinion on
>whether i should stay or not on the issue of it being
>too tense between me and Dor, and Valerie responded
>that they wanted to have a meeting with me discussing
>that and discussing my involvement with the event, or
>"lack thereof" as concluded by some, but instead i
>opted to post what i did because i thought that was
>the basis of what was to be discussed. i think i can
>say now that Dor and I have at least set things aside
>and agreed that it should not affect this event, so
>the issue of it being too tense between me and Dor is
>not my concern anymore. my concern is that i feel like
>i've been stabbed in the back. and if it's going to
>keep on like this counting down the days until this
>event let me know now because i wont be apart of that.
>*that* is what would kill me, and like you said, i
>shouldn't allow that to happen.
>And despite everything else that has happened in the
>last four days, this takes the cake...
>
>Jason
as -soon- as this discussion began, it stopped because everyone, especially audrey i think, didn't want it a talking behind anyone's back or a let's all gang up on this person event. so as soon as it begun, it stopped until we could all find a time to be in person.
and i'm sorry you have/had horrible things going on in your life. if those things are more important, which they should be, then i dont know, id be focusing on that instead. at one point in time, this project was making me very, very unhappy. i was ready to stop doing it. because i want to be 110% or nothing. and WHY continue with something if its just adding to the current overloaded levels of stress? i dont understand the masochism. im not personally trying to make it an overload.
as far as stabbed in the back? sddskdsjkdskjdsjkd
how can having a completely open and honest discussion be a stab in the back? what im writing, what im telling you, this is how i flat out honestly feel. if i had had an earlier chance to tell you, i would have taken it. but like i said, i like dealing in person for one thing. and i havent seen you since some of the first few meetings. thats when i started to get a twinge of the idea that you seemed to only want to do things that were fun and if it wasnt done the way you wanted it to be done, you didnt want to do it. ive already said that in the argument over background music.
i dont think any of us should have to ask you if it seems like you're doing an uneven amount. that's my big complaint. i dont see the initiative. i hear a lot of "well, you should have told me," "you should have asked me." well yes, in a perfect scenario, some more questions should have been asked. but this isn't perfect, it will never be. all of us have had to answer questions before even being asked. its a part of this project. i dont think that should be any surprise.
-christina.
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