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Subject: Re: East Point Inn Author: Anonymous [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 19:06:30 04/10/04 Sat In reply to: 's message, "East Point Inn" on 08:52:19 04/09/04 Fri "the village idiots made up the rules as they went along." Dead wrong. Here's the village code: Chapter 101, BUILDING CONSTRUCTION 101-1. Adoption of standards. EN For the purpose of establishing rules and regulations for the construction, alteration, repair and removal of buildings and structures erected or to be erected within the village and for the purpose of establishing regulations and standards for the installation, maintenance and repair of plumbing and the regulation of similar work in the village, the Board of Trustees of the village, as and for its Building Code, hereby adopts and accepts the applicability of the New York State Building Construction Code, including the plumbing standards thereof, for the village, in accordance with the provisions of § 374-a of the Executive Law of the State of New York,EN with the additional provisions herein contained, and said New York State Building Construction Code is hereby adopted and incorporated herein by reference as fully as if set forth at length. 101-12. Notice of demolition. EN Before any existing building or part of an existing building is demolished, a statement in writing on appropriate blanks to be furnished by the Superintendent of Construction, constituting a notice to demolish, shall be submitted to the Superintendent of Construction by the owner or any person authorized by the owner, giving the full name and residence of each of the owners of the building to be demolished, the name and business address of the person who is to do the work and such other information respecting the building as the Superintendent of Construction may require. Such notice shall be submitted not less than 48 hours before the work of demolition is commenced. As you can see, not only is the village acting in accordance with its own laws (which it passed in 1987, well within the time the East Point Inn's current owners were in business), but it was also acting in accordance with New York State law. "All the village is worried about is what this is going to do to their so-called revitalization of the waterfront." And rightly so. They invested taxpayer money into the project and the Colwells have decided to use illegal means to cause potential harm to the project. I can also assure you that the people of the village are fuming, as well as the government. The village has every right to take eminent domain over this property and run it as they see fit. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> Subject: Re: East Point Inn Author: Anonymous [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 02:52:33 04/11/04 Sun Here's where YOU are dead wrong. The village only follows the village code when they feel it is to their benefit. They have not followed the village code when it comes to the noise level or the lights as it affects the residents near the little league park. I have friends who live across from the park and nothing has been done for two years about the problems they encounter. If you want to quote village code, here's what it says in regards to what I just mentioned and none of this has been followed by the village or the recreation department: A.No light on any part of a premises licensed hereunder shall be permitted to shine beyond the property line of the premises. All exterior lights on such premises shall be equipped with shielding devices so that the glow emanating therefrom shall be directed only on and toward such premises The lights have no shields, and the lights shine past the property line of the ballpark into residents windows D.No music shall be played in any place of public assembly either by mechanical device or live performance in such a manner that the sound emanating therefrom shall be audible beyond the property line of the premises whereon the place of public assembly is located. At no time shall music be played either by mechanical device or live performance in a manner which either annoys, disturbs, injures, endangers or tends to annoy, disturb, injure or endanger the comfort, repose, health, peaceful enjoyment or safety of other persons or the public. E.No loud, unnecessary or unusual noise or any noise shall be permitted to be made, continued or caused to be made or continued, which either annoys, disturbs, injures or tends to annoy, disturb, injure or endanger the comfort, repose, health, peaceful enjoyment or safety of other persons or the public. Noise from people arriving and leaving the games cause disturbance to the residents and the public address system is loud and clear in the residents homes when announcements are made and music played. The village does not follow it's own code for everything. They want the landowner to give up their rights to do what they want with their property for the good of the community, but unless you know someone who is connected to the village board or it's committees in some way, you are not allowed to use your property as you see fit. If they were going to designate it a landmark, it should have been done already, not when an issue like this arises. In my conversations with residents of the village, nobody is happy with the way the village is run and most could care less about the waterfront area. As for illegal means being used to cause harm to the project, that is their property that they own and pay taxes on. They handed in the appropriate paperwork and did what they set out to do with their property. If the village can do whatever they want with property they own and not give a darn about the residents it affects, then likewise for those property owners. The village has NO right to do whatever they want. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: East Point Inn Author: Anonymous [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 01:26:43 04/12/04 Mon "Here's where YOU are dead wrong." Nowhere in your message do you disprove anything I said. You simply divert attention from the relevant facts by bringing up an instance where you feel the village has done wrong. Right or wrong, most of your message has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. "They have not followed the village code when it comes to the noise level or the lights as it affects the residents near the little league park. I have friends who live across from the park and nothing has been done for two years about the problems they encounter." This is land under the control of the Town of Hempstead. The village has no authority over this land. Since you are so hot to trot about the Town of Hempstead, give them a ring and watch as they spring into action, because there is nothing the village can do. "As for illegal means being used to cause harm to the project, that is their property that they own and pay taxes on." We all pay taxes for a lot of things. That does not mean I can use them unbridled. I pay an income tax, but that does not mean I can use my income for illegal purposes. The Colwells must follow the same laws that we do, regardless of whether or not they pay taxes. "They handed in the appropriate paperwork and did what they set out to do with their property." Correct. The Colwells went through the motions, but did not obtain a legal basis for demolition. This is not only cowardly, but dangerous. You see, permits are obtained partly to ensure that the demolition will not release asbestos. Apparently the Colwells had little interest in the safety of residents. They moved to obtain a permit and it did not come fast enough for them so they went ahead with it anyway. Furthermore, even if they did obtain a permit, they are required to wait 48 hours before demolition. Personal vendettas against the village aside, you should agree that this was an act of vandalism in the truest sense. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: East Point Inn Author: Anonymous [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 05:36:47 04/13/04 Tue HEY ARE YOU PAYING THE TAXES ON THE EAST POINT INN? YOU SOUND LIKE YOU OWN IT AND THIS WAS AN ACT AGAINST YOU. IT AIN'T YOURS. ONE MORE THING, ALL THIS ABOUT ONE BUILDING,WAS IT THE ONLY THING HERE? WAS IT THE ONLY WATERFRONT BUILDING? WHAT ABOUT THE PARK TO COME? THIS WATERFRONT AREA IS VERY SMALL.YOU ACT AS IF IT IS AS BIG AS FREEPORT AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WILL BE MADE HERE.GUESS WHAT IT AIN'T GOING TO HAPPEN. THERE IS TOO MUCH WHITE TRASH HERE.PEOPLE COME HERE AND SEE THE WHITE TRASH AND GO AWAY. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: East Point Inn Author: Anonymous [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 07:26:59 04/13/04 Tue "YOU SOUND LIKE YOU OWN IT AND THIS WAS AN ACT AGAINST YOU." It was an act against the community. It was our first post office and general store. Part of our heritage was destroyed through their actions. As someone who pays taxes to the village, I expect it to help maintain the historically significant aspects of our village. With the development of the waterfront, the caliber of the investors in the immediate vicinity will dramatically increase. White trash areas like the Duck and the surrounding properties will be much more marketable to potential developers if they see a vivacios waterfront. What do you propose to do with the problem of "White Trash" [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: If it meant that much to you... Author: Anonymous [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 18:15:54 02/18/05 Fri If it meant that much to you...than you should have worked with the Colwell family instead of bullying them.If you had be nice that building would still be there, but no let's have a hissy fit and drive those people to taking down the very building they owned. God sees you and what you do. You have no shame so you don't care. You did not own it. Acting as if you did own it when you don't is an act against the very constitution of this country. Now instead of a warm family place to go eat we now have some prefab cold place with a drunken seahorse. It's okay you will start to bully them too. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: East Point Inn Author: Anonymous [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 03:52:09 04/14/04 Wed You are very good at defending the village no matter what the subject is. I'll bet you get some special perks from them. Let's set the record straight, shall we. Depending on who you get your story from, the Colwell's did what they were supposed to do and the village did not do their part. The Colwell's submitted the paperwork for the demolition and they did wait 48 hours for the work to begin. This was not an act of vandalism as it was to their own property and they are not submitting claims to be reimbursed for it's destruction. Since you seem to "know it all" here's a fact about the little league park. It is NOT land under the control of the Town of Hempstead. There has been correspondence with the town supervisor and with Councilman Santino that will verify that the park is under the complete control of the village. That is why the village does not have to follow the same rules and regulations as the other little league parks. It is on village property. It is run by the East Rockaway Recreation Department and the village. So, if I were "hot to trot" about the Town of Hempstead and they owned the land, I would make sure my friend was in touch with them. My reason for diverting attention from the EPI issue was to point out the fact that the village follows and quotes code when it affects them and is to their benefit, not when it affects it's residents. So, before you try to give a history lesson and legal dissertation to the posters on this forum, maybe you should do your homework. You obviously are not talking to the entire population of East Rockaway. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: EPI - a Colwell response Author: Anonymous [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 23:19:10 02/12/05 Sat Thank you to all who have our support in this Village. To those of you who spread nasty rumors and hurtful remarks, I feel that you hide behind your anonymity on this web site by not identifing yourselves. If you truthfully feel the way you do about my family's actions, I challange you to tell all of these readers who you are. What are you afraid of, not having enough backbone to stand on? Thank you, Jacquelyn Colwell. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Thank you Jacquelyn Author: Anonymous [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 21:26:31 02/13/05 Sun Thank You, Jacquelyn I admire you. There is one person who writes on here and that person is what you say. The poor soul is not very creative and is dependent on quoting and being nasty. Poor thing is nasty and speads rumors because the poor soul is an abuser. I allow the poor soul to write here so people can see what a fool that poor person is. Your family made this area worth while. I miss your family and I know that where ever you have gone you will do well. I wish all of you great happiness. Morgan [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: YOUR FAMILY IS MORE LOVED THAN THE VILLAGE Author: Anonymous [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 03:57:44 02/14/05 Mon [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Way to go Colwell's! Author: Anonymous [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 02:16:02 02/18/05 Fri You have my 100% support!! Good for you for doing what you needed to do. This Village is not worth it. So many good people have moved because of the games the local government plays. Good luck to you and your family! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Grant Money Author: Anonymous [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 06:38:30 02/18/05 Fri There is grant money for the local businesses on the waterfront from the state. The village has not let people who can get them know about them. The hot dog stand and bait store got grant money and they are going to redo and put in more stores. Those who were not told of the grant money they could get can now sue the village for withholding the fact. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: EastRockawaysucks.com Author: Anonymous [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 01:45:02 03/14/05 Mon Judging from this post, I am certain that Jacquelyn Colwell is against ERSucks.com. After all, they hide behind anonymity and do not identify themselves. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Who's hiding???? Author: Anonymous [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 02:59:23 03/14/05 Mon Ask and you will be told, send us an e-mail with any questions you have and we will tell you, leave you phone number and we will even call. if you want to learn who we are and our true mission.. just ask..dont be shy.. eastrockawaysucks.com info@eastrockaway.com [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: POST CORRECTION Author: Anonymous [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 03:01:44 03/14/05 Mon info@eastrockawaysucks.com [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Who's hiding???? Author: Anonymous [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 02:59:56 03/14/05 Mon Ask and you will be told, send us an e-mail with any questions you have and we will tell you, leave you phone number and we will even call. if you want to learn who we are and our true mission.. just ask..dont be shy.. eastrockawaysucks.com info@eastrockaway.com [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: East Point Inn Author: Anonymous [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 18:09:23 04/11/04 Sun WHo are U Kidding? The village was never going to give them a permit. just look at the junk building over by Davivson's boatyard. They should take a lesson from the Colwells [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: East Point Inn Author: Anonymous [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 00:53:15 04/12/04 Mon And the village was not obligated to give them a permit. The point of not giving them a permit is that it was an unofficial historical landmark and they did not want to see it destroyed. The point of a permit is to prevent a staple of the community from being destroyed, which is precisely why this is such a grave offense that will be swiftly punished. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Roe8688@aol.com Author: Anonymous [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:02:24 11/08/06 Wed Why is money always the motivator? How can a beautiful historical building be demolished the way the East Point Inn was? I find it hard to believe that there was no alternative, but to destroy that part of East Rockaway's history. I feel sorry for the Colwells. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]