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Date Posted: 20:27:33 11/28/01 Wed
Author: KhaliG
Subject: Re: Well I agree much more with this review than with David Hines..
In reply to: Trinity 's message, "Re: Well I agree much more with this review than with David Hines.." on 21:31:21 11/27/01 Tue

>I was referring to things like, "Oh it's time to
>change the baby's diaper.. ahhhh it's smelly!!" Or,
>"Annn-ggeelllllll.. the baby's throwing up *again*!!"
>
>Stuff like that just grows very old very quickly for
>me.. Yet it's almost an assurance whenever there's a
>new baby on any TV show..

Okay, I see what you mean. That *is* lame, but the way I figure it, if shows like ER (peter benton/Reese) can have a kid around, then why not Angel? I guess I'm the type who doesn't mind having kids coming into the storyline as long as the writers tell the story right.
>Hmmmmm.. I wonder what exactly you consider Dork!Angel
>to be then..

What I consider Dork!Angel is exactly what you described below, and for the most part I like him. I thought it was kind of cute when Angel bounced over to Cordy to be bandaged, in many ways Angel is still a little boy, at least that's what I think.

I think in terms of Angel characterization, a little light-heartedness balanced with a serious edge as seen with Lullaby is the best Angel I've seen. Quite frankly, Brooding!Angel was kind of boring to me, so I was glad to see some dorkiness come his way. It made him more human to me.

>If you like, I'll explain my version.. (this may get
>slightly ranty in places, as it's a rather sore spot
>for me. Just a fair warning!! *g*)

Fairly warned :)

>And I guess I got really ranty towards the end huh?? ;
>)

Yes, you did. :) That's okay and I see some of your points. I think maybe this year is about Angel learning to take responsibility in terms of his past with Holtz and the safety of his child. I've always felt that the fault of the Beige!Angel arc came from both Angel and the fang Gang. He should have told them about the dreams with Darla and they should have been a little bit more persistent and understanding about his relationship with Darla. As for Billy, I felt sorry for Cordelia, but I felt that maybe this ep should have occured after Dead End as a followup to the "painful, killing visions" story-line. I think Angel did take responsibility of releasing Billy, but I think Angel's basically in reactive mode. When the trouble comes knocking on his doorstep, he'll act, if it doesn't, he'll leave well enough alone. In reality, Billy should have been done right after That Vision Thing, and should have had scenes of Angel mentioning that he was keeping tabs on the street for being on the look-out for what W&H are planning to do with the released prisoner.

>The current problem I'm having however, is that
>they're giving Angel more and different layers, at the
>(complete and utter IMO) expense of the old ones. No
>matter how closely I've searched (up until the very
>very end of "Offspring" at least), I can find no
>traces of my beloved Original Angel to enjoy.. It's
>pretty much all Dork!Angel that I can see..
>
>And OK, enough ranting for one night! ; )

All right, that's good. To rant in a calm, collected manner is of the good. This is just my opinion, but I've come to the idea that maybe Dork!Angel is a part of Angel's personality. It's just that when we saw him in Season 1-3 of Buffy, he was basically there as Buffy's boyfriend and as the "tortured" vampire with a soul.

Now, that he has his own show, we're all see new layers of Angel. The problem, I think, is that Angel is a very extreme kind of person, some even say bi-polar. If he feels he must be evil, then he'll be the uberevil. If he feels he must be good, then he'll be ubergood. If he feels the need to lighten up and be "happy", then he'll be the biggest goof on the planet, a cute goof, but a goof nonetheless. Angel needs to learn how to balance out his personality. He's starting to do this with learning to accept and maybe even love his demonic nature. Now, what he needs to do is to learn how to deal with his inner humanity, because Angel wasn't exactly the greatest of humans around. Cordy was the first step in Angel connecting with humanity, hopefully, the baby will be the next step, provided they a) don't kill it, b) super-age it, and c) send it off to some dimension.

Stupid
>college. . . . Work.. studying.. bah!! ; )

Ditto! What year are you? I'm a senior.

~Khali, off to read up on her next assignment.

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