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Date Posted: 23:24:35 12/04/01 Tue
Author: KhaliG
Subject: Re: I don't know about you...
In reply to: Blue 's message, "Re: I don't know about you..." on 21:48:57 12/04/01 Tue

>Yeah, I keep going back and forth too. I just can't
>help but think this storyline would have been great
>with Darla esp. since she's so strongly tied to it.
>Just doesn't make any .... oh well. No, I haven't
>read that fic. Hm, I'm check it out! Thank you. :)

You're welcome. :) Let's hope for come good flashbacks in the future.

>Honestly, I don't like the *way* the writers are going
>about this with the character based episodes. It's
>just kind of ... what's the word ... (and I hate to
>say this) but it just seems like sloppy planning.
>After character A has his/her episode, it's time for
>character B's turn, and thereafter character C's, etc.
> I wouldn't mind this pattern if the episodes didn't
>come one after another. Spread them out because now
>I've got a set pattern in my head that's predictable.

Yeah, that *does* sound a little too predictable and I agree with you, but something tells me that's what we're going to get regarding the way the storyline is planned. If I ha my way, I would move the story along by having maybe Wes or Gunn falling for Holtz's story and sort of becoming a stool pigeon at the same time. While Angel thinks Wes/Gunn will protect the baby, in reality they're thinking of ways to get rid of it, or some such thing. A little melodramatic, to be sure, but it could tie in with the story actions in That Old gang of Mine, where Gunn stood by and did nothing while innocent demons were getting slaughtered by his old crew.
>
>I don't like this though. It just seems sloppy to me.
> To me, I agree that season 2 had a good balance of
>character development within episodes that also
>contributed to the arc. I think one of the major set
>backs this season has been the lack of these episodes.
> It was cool to see Darla in episodes 1-2 because then
>we got a feel for the arc while still being engaged in
>a separate storyline. Thereafter it was like "what
>happened to the arc?" And then when Darla finally
>makes her appearance, she and the arc are barely the
>focus of the episode.

oh, yeah, I agree with that. What would have made Offspring a bit better for me would have been if we had gotten Darla's point of view for most of the episode. The first half was heavily Angel/Cordy, nothing wrong with that, but aside from the Darla breakdown at the Discovery Zone playcenter, that ep just felt uneven. I guess what bothers me about this arc is that the pacing feels slightly rushed, we hardly got a true understnding of how darla and Angel truly felt, Lullaby was brilliant in that regard, and there have been no real explanations about the baby. I'm willing to say, "eh, who cares", regarding how the baby was concieved. Angel and Darla had sex, bringing forth Buster, 'nuff said is my motto.

However, the story told in Lullaby is just the beginning, so I'm interested in how this all works out. As long as "The Kid" isn't super-aged, killed, or sent off to another dimension/the Burkles just so the writers can avoid having a baby on the set and in the story, everything else is fine by me.
I just wish for the days when the
>supporting characters got development in just plain
>old episodes, any episodes, not episodes relegated to
>"oh, this is my moment to shine. you step away now!"

Lol. Nice thought, I've thought that too.
>BtVS did this VERY well back in the days before season
>4.

I think BtVS is doing that well now, but then again, my mind is on Buffy/Spike/Dawn these days regarding the show.
>
>Gunn? He was full center in "That Old Gang of Mine"
>even though that episode dealt with another tired plot
>like Cordelia's visions. Thereafter though, where is
>he? He's either comedy's footstool ("Lullaby" with
>the head smacking) or he's barely there at all.

Yeah, I know. That poor man needs something to do.I wish he could play a pivotal role in the arc, but the obvious one is the betrayer and that would just be a little too predictable.
>
>Fred? Back in Pylea, she was strong, outgoing in
>trying to reach Cordelia, help Angel, very smart
>(still is), and seemed to have confidence in herself.
>Upon her character basis in Pylea, I thought she'd be
>someone that'd be vigoriously out in the world
>checking up on what she missed, seeing her old friends
>from the library she was portal-sucked away from, and
>hanging out at the taco stand. But the Fred I see on
>ANGEL, hides under tables, can barely speak a word,
>puts Cordelia on some pedestal, when she does say
>something rambles like she doesn't realize when she's
>saying too many words all at once, and blah ....

She might be the baby's baby-sitter? That's good, right?
>
>Cordelia has gotten the most screentime, but her
>development like the others is lacking. She's all
>about the visions and being Miss Perfect. Give me
>some true pain and consequences!

What Cordy could use is a good dose of being in the non-supernatural world. heck, all of them could spend some quality time in the non-suprntural. There was once a time when Cordy wanted to become an actress. Shedosn't have to become a actress now, but it would be nice if we saw some real interaction with the human world. Date a little, have fun, be young! Cordy feels like she's already setting up shop as a forty-year-old spinister, when she is what? 20-21? If I were her, I would try to get involved in the human world as possible. It's great to save the world, but there comes a time when you actually have to experience the world you're saving.
>
>What made me fall in love with the Angel character was
>seeing his struggles. Everyone experiences pain in
>this world and to see someone face that pain, live
>with it for so long, and most of the time not get any
>reward for his suffering made him very human to me.
>Since none of the characters ever really *suffer*
>anymore, well, I'm losing track of the point of the
>show and in that regard Goofy!Angel as well.

If anything, I think maybe the baby might be Angel's chance to have a stake in the fight against evil. Before, he had the company of his friends and his guilt, which are okay, but he really didn't have anything to truly *tie* him to the world. Buster is a definite tie to the world, since Angel will have a strong desire to save the world for future generations, for his grandchildren. I also think that with the arrival of Buster, we're going to see a more balanced, more determined Angel. Goofy!Angel was fun afor me to watch. I loved him during the Pylea arc, but I couldn't really take him seriously. As of Lullaby, I'm feeling his anguish, vulnerability, pain, and sense of humor all at once. I've never felt closer to the character before.

I guess that's why I liked Darla so much.
> She suffered considerably but she always popped back
>up and didn't whine or expect anyone's sympathy.
>Granted she's one side to all of this though.

Darla was one tough cookie wasn't she? You know what, as long as Buster lives on the show, Darla lives on in him. We can take a little pleasure in that.
>
>Okay, I'm rambling here.
>
>Wesley? At least his character's been consistent more
>than everyone else.

Out of the entire MoG, Wesley gets top billing. I felt frhim in Billy.
>LOL. :) Then again, we wouldn't have gotten this at
>all if there were no seasons beyond season 5. I think
>most of this *planning* comes to chance sometimes or
>what the writers think is popular.

Like a wise man once said: Genius is 50% luck and 50% inspiration. ME was very lucky that when people look back over the history of BtVS, the story managed to fit with the story we see now.

>Hope so, but I doubt the FG will get better
>development anytime soon. It's okay though. Went
>through the same thing with BtVS, which I don't watch
>anymore. Heh. So weird, I am. I crack myself up
>(with laughter)sometimes when I look back on things.

Yeah, I know what you mean. last year, most people were skeptical of Angel/Cordy while I was waving pom-pomms for that ship. I was sweating bullets over whether Angel/Fred will come to pass. Now? I'm not waving the pom-poms as much anymore and some of the places I hang out now are pro-C/A. It's funny how things work out.
>The actress has this way of over acting. She's
>getting better as each episode goes along. Funny that
>the actress is in her teens, yet she seems older than
>Welling who's actually 24. So weird.

Whoa! I did *not* know that. The actress who plays Lana seems so worldly or at least mature for her character. She's a very pretty girl, though.

Are they
>supposed to be Freshmen in Smallville because that's a
>stretch if I ever saw one! It's all fun nonetheless.
>:)
>

yeah, it is. I keep wondering why they are all in high school. They certainly didn't feel like high schoolers, but they are pretty to watch.
>Lex/Lana's chemistry is tres interesting. Did you see
>last week's with the girl that wanted to lose weight
>so she drank a kryptonite shake to slack off the
>weight? LOL.

Oh yes! I didn't know whether to be slightly freaked or bust out laughing every time Jody opened her mouth to suick the fat. Her mouth just looked weird to me. I was pleased with Pete wanting to go out with her. It's about time the character of pete got some definition.

There were a couple scenes b/w Lex and
>Lana where it seemed like Lex was moving onto Lana
>(who was waiting for Clark), yet at the same time kept
>his distance. Ah. yes. Sometimes I don't know if Lex is out to ptrotect Clark or do him harm. That man is the most morally ambiguous character on the show.

The actor that plays Lex is very good.
>He can convey so much in so less.

*Sigh* Lex is so the man. :)
>

>LOL, that is soo funny.

Yeah. I'm not big on the Superman comics and I am very relieved the writers aren't doing the cape and suit thing. I always thought it was corny.

>I caught a little of the pilot and I didn't like it.
>Maybe if I saw more episodes I'd change my mind. I
>kept yelling at the tv screen because those two girls
>did some of the most stupidest things when it came to
>escaping their kidnappers. =)

I've been keeping up with 24 due to the encore presentations that Fox gives on Friday nights. I love it that FOX is doing this. Overall, 24 is pretty interesting, but it's basically standard action drama. I'm in it for Dennis Haysbert and finding out what happened to the girls.

~Khali

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