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Date Posted: 11:04 24/10/24 Thu
Author: Porter
Author Host/IP: 123-51-75-22.static.dsl.net.au / 123.51.75.22
Subject: What sort of qualifiers are those?
In reply to: collingwoodj 's message, "A bit about Membery and Tomlinson" on 09:32 24/10/24 Thu

He would've won our goalkicking in 2024?

Here's our 2024 Top 10:

Bobby Hill: 23 games, 30 goals.
Lachie Schultz: 20 games, 24 goals.
Jamie Elliott: 15 games, 21 goals.
Nick Daicos: 23 games, 20 goals.
Brody Mihocek: 11 games, 19 goals.
Patrick Lipinski: 23 games, 18 goals.
Will Hoskin-Elliott: 20 games, 17 goals.
Jack Crisp: 23 games, 17 goals.
Reef McInnes: 9 games, 13 goals.
Harvey Harrison: 12 games, 11 goals.

People wank on, for instance, about Schultz being second in our goalkickers. Yeah, because he played 5 games more than our next-best forward (Elliott), and 9 games more than the next forward (Mihocek).

This is not to bash Schultz, but just to say we had such a problematic year with injury that all the figures are skewed as markers.

Look at our top ten: fourth is Nick Daicos, who played primarily as a midfielder; then you have Hoskin-Elliott, who plays all over; and McInnes and Harrison, who played about half the season, and often as subs.

If Membrey had played for us in any of the years you've cited, you can't just transpose he would've gotten exactly the same amount of goals that he did at St. Kilda.

Circumstances would recontextualise just how effective he was for us, and it's doubtful his output would be the same.

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By the same token... -- Cakewalk, 11:40 24/10/24 Thu
Membrey missed games this year too -- Rocket surgeon, 12:43 24/10/24 Thu
- It's so frustrating that we are STILL talking about these 30-40 goal per year forwards -- Chicken wing, 13:22 24/10/24 Thu
  - Genuine question, when was the last time the premier had a 70 goal or more forward? (NT) -- Optimax, 13:24 24/10/24 Thu
    - Yeah, there is not much correlation anymore. It would still be a lot more exciting to watch though (NT) -- Chicken wing, 13:26 24/10/24 Thu
      - That's true (NT) -- Optimax, 13:30 24/10/24 Thu
      - It's a false assertion though, change the parameter to 60-70g or 100 shots. Amd you get more. (NT) -- Rodda83, 15:12 24/10/24 Thu
    - Lloyd 2000 with 94, franklin 08 102 and Hwkins 2020 with 42 shorter season and games -- Optimax, 13:28 24/10/24 Thu
    - Correct, the best forward lines lines spread the goal kickers and don't rely on one or two players (NT) -- Pyeman WPBD, 13:29 24/10/24 Thu
    - Jez Cameron 65g 37p. 2022 Geelong. Tom Lynch 63g 31p 2019. Were close enough to 70g years. Plus -- Rodda83, 15:09 24/10/24 Thu
      - There's far too many nuances to really draw conclusions.... -- Two-Bob Man, 16:08 24/10/24 Thu
        Yup fair call, just hate the down playing of KPF that goes on and overlooking of the stats (NT) -- Rodda83, 16:48 24/10/24 Thu
        Yeah - understand that....you need to be kicking it to someone who can then do the job! (NT) -- TBM, 17:38 24/10/24 Thu
      - Tom Hawkins kicked 64 goals in 2022 as well (NT) -- Crimson Mask, 20:59 24/10/24 Thu
Thanks, collingwoodj. I've got no problem with wanking on; I do it all the time. Keep up the good work. (NT) -- muddy, 13:21 24/10/24 Thu
Exactly. Basing opinions solely on skewed stats is dumb. (NT) -- Mr w, 10:29 25/10/24 Fri

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