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Date Posted: 19:41:01 07/10/07 Tue In reply to: Duncan7 's message, "Re: See sicko, this movie is going to change many attitudes" on 06:47:52 07/10/07 Tue I would gladly vote for moore, and you can throw in al frankin also. I may not agree with everthing they stand for, but they would not be the catastrophe bush and the republicans are. >Moore is an idiot and as fat as he is certainly needs >health care. Maybe he'll run for office and fix all >your problems. > >> I know people who are working very hard, usually >>white collar jobs with college degrees, and have no >>medical coverage, or they need to have their spouse >>work at a non-profit org. for medical coverage, this >>is very common, it is unheard of in europe. I know of >>people who have had to fight insurance companies for >>the medical coverage they were entitled to, this does >>not happen in europe. These people do not waste money >>on frivolous things, i am sure there are people out >>there who don't have medical and waste money, but it >>is not the people i know. >> >> Why should the corperate executives who run private >>health insurance companies get paid hundreds of >>millions of dollars a year to deny a third of >>americans good medical coverage? Why do modern >>democratic countries like france, germany, england, >>japan, norway, etc. provide their citizens with >>excellent universal health coverage at a much lower >>cost than our private, for profit health care system >>which completely denies 50 million americans coverage, >>under insures another 50 million, and overpays the >>business crooks who deny these people medical >coverage? >> >> A government run medical insurance system will >>attempt to provide medical coverage for all people, a >>private, for profit medical insurance system will seek >>to maximize profit for the executives who run the >>corporation, just like any corporation. >> >> America is a free, democratic country, when we see >>other countries doing things better than we do, we >>follow their example. When the japaneese make better >>cars, we either duplicate them, or we buy their cars. >>Likewise, when western europe, canada and japan have >>superior government run national health care systems, >>we should attempt to duplicate their success! Moore >>made exactly this point at the end of sicko, and i >>agreed 100%. >> >> >>>What it is is about who is paying for it. I'm >>>certainly not interested in people who will buy a >>>playstation while not being able to take care of >>>themselves properly or go out and buy an SUV and >>>foreclose on their homes 6 months later. Health care >>>is not "free" anywhere in the world it's just paid >for >>>differently. You are just convincing yourself that >>>europe is some kind of wonderland. It isn't and their >>>poverty level is on par with ours if not worse. I >>>don't know what state you live in but around here any >>>child can be taken anywhere for emergency health care >>>rather they have insurance or not so it would appear >>>on the surface that this is just something else you >>>really don't have any experience in but always >believe >>>the worst? Why is that? Is it really that much easier >>>to believe there is something wrong with your country >>>without really knowing what is available? >>> >>>> I know too many people who have not put >themselves >>>>in that position, i even know a few republicans who >>do >>>>not have health coverage and need it desperately, >the >>>>only thing i blame them for is voting republican. >>>> >>>> What is your proposal for the majority of >>americans >>>>who do not have health coverage, or have inadaquate >>>>coverage, which is about a third of all americans? >>>>What do we do about those people who work hard but >do >>>>not make enough money to pay for health care, do >they >>>>deserve to die because "the free market" deemed them >>>>not worthy of having health care? >>>> >>>> Do you have statistics for the number of people >>>>trying to immigrate to america and europe? And what >>>>countries do those people come from? I know of many >>>>people from central america, russia, china, india, >>and >>>>pakistan living in new york, i do not know that many >>>>french, german, japaneese or english immigrants, is >>>>there a reason why only people from dirt poor >>>>countries want to come here, not people who live in >>>>modern democratic countries with national health >care >>>>and other social benifits that we americans are >>>>deprived of? when I was young we did have alot of >>>>west european immigrants in new york, but now it is >>>>much less common. My old neighborhood was largly >>from >>>>western european countries, it became korean, now it >>>>is becomming chinese, at least things are still >>better >>>>here than in china. >>>> >>>> >>>>>Alot of americans put themselves in that position. >>>>>They buy beyond their means and blame the rest of >>>>>society for it. I've been in the private and public >>>>>sectors and the same holds true in both areas. It >>>>>comes down to the choices you make and frankly if >>you >>>>>make a bad choice you pay the price. If you believe >>>>>those places are so much better you owe it to >>>yourself >>>>>to go there. The lines are much shorter to get in >>>then >>>>>they are here. Wonder why that is? Maybe you just >>>>>think it's better. >>>>> >>>>>> I know people who live in europe and canada, >and >>>>it >>>>>>is much better over there. Unlike most americans, >>>>>>europeans actually have vacations, and they >>travel. >>>>>>Common europeans take one month long vacations, >>they >>>>>>actually see the world, something that is unheard >>of >>>>>>for most over-worked americans. Because americans >>>>are >>>>>>constantly working hard so the priveleged few can >>be >>>>>>filthy rich, they do not get a chance to see how >>>much >>>>>>better people in free democratic countries live. >>>>>> >>>>>> It is the duty of any patriotic american to >work >>>>to >>>>>>make america a better place for all people, and i >>>>will >>>>>>work to improve america by having big business and >>>>the >>>>>>rich pay their fair share so we all can have good >>>>>>health coverage and other social benifits that >free >>>>>>democratic countries provide for their people. >>>>>> >>>>>>>"Falling behind" is a bit realativistic don't you >>>>>>>think? I'm doing pretty well and so are you. To >>>make >>>>>a >>>>>>>movie edited to meet the authors point of view >>>isn't >>>>>>>my idea of getting ahead and never will be. I've >>>>>lived >>>>>>>in europe and they don't have it any better then >>we >>>>>do >>>>>>>they just have it differently. If that suits you >>>I'm >>>>>>>sure there is housing available to you. I prefer >>to >>>>>>>live here in america. If I had the same attitudes >>>>>that >>>>>>>some of you do i wouldn't live here, but that has >>>>>>>always been the difference between us. If I don't >>>>>like >>>>>>>america I can always go somewhere else. You would >>>>>>>rather take all the bad things and put a >spotlight >>>>on >>>>>>>them as if there is no good anywhere here or in >>>>>Moores >>>>>>>case just lie to suit your needs. That isn't >>>>reality. >>>>>>>Change to suit the way you want to live, don't >>>think >>>>>>>your going to change things to make me live the >>way >>>>>>>you want me to. Especially based on edited film >>>that >>>>>>>says what ever they want it to. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yeah, for too long everyone believed that >line >>>>>big >>>>>>>>business keeps feeding us that americans have it >>>>>>>>better than anyone else in the world, there are >>no >>>>>>>>alternatives to our capitalist system. It is >>very >>>>>>>>hard for many americans to accept that our >>society >>>>>is >>>>>>>>falling far behind most democratic countries, >but >>>>we >>>>>>>>must face reality if we are going to use our >>>>freedom >>>>>>>>for the better. Katrina forced many americans >to >>>>>>>>confront the reality of our social decline, >>>"sicko" >>>>>>is >>>>>>>>the next logical step, but without the damage of >>>>>>>>katrina. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>It's amazing how you can edit to make people >say >>>>>>>>>whatever you want them to isn't it? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The movie was both extremely sad and >>>>hilarious, >>>>>>>>but >>>>>>>>>>it was an extremely important look at the >>>>failures >>>>>>>>and >>>>>>>>>>cruelty of our for-profit health care system. >>I >>>>>>>>>>regret to say that from the stories of people >i >>>>>>know >>>>>>>>>>personally, this documentary is accurate. >Many >>>>>>>>>>americans buy the line that we have it the >>best, >>>>>>>that >>>>>>>>>>is the furthest from the truth, america is in >>>>>>social >>>>>>>>>>decline, it is time we confront this reality >in >>>>>>>order >>>>>>>>>>to better ourselves, that is the spirit of >>>>freedom >>>>>>>>and >>>>>>>>>>democracy. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Micheal moore has done an awesome job in >>>>making >>>>>>>>his >>>>>>>>>>point, it is not likely that anyone could have >>>>>done >>>>>>>a >>>>>>>>>>better job in 2 hours, the movie is a great >>>>>service >>>>>>>>to >>>>>>>>>>our country, it is our patriotic duty to see >>it, >>>>>>and >>>>>>>>>>do what we can to bring proper health care to >>>all >>>>>>>>>>americans. 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