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Welcome! This forum is dedicated to the discussions of issues related to Biblical Understanding and Human Intelligence. From time to time we would like to discuss some matters pertaining to these fields to help further our own understanding of the Nature of Biblical Revelation
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Subject: Logic and the Text


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Date Posted: 07:59:31 01/06/02 Sun

To begin with, I would like to point out that my main focus in these discussions is our responsibility towards the divine Text. Roger, your comments are aimed towards homiletical arenas rather than what I would like to discuss.

That said, I will "give you the gratification" of responding to a few of your comments. We are called to utilize divine rationality as opposed to human reasoning; I have come to believe that they are two processes completely incomensurable; this does not mean that we cannot understand the heathen mind but that we are called to use our minds in a completely different way. The Word of God can penetrate human rationality - else none would come to any type of Faith. But we cannot present truth according to human reasoning.

Logic in itself, at least some categories of logic, are not necessarily exclusive to human (i.e. heathen) reasoning. According to the Deuteronomy account, we are called to deductively apply the Laws of God. God says "you don't eat unclean meat" and specifies that pigs are unclean. The Isrealite realizes that a specific pig is not to be eaten. This is deduction and it must happen everytime we live by faith.

My question regarding logic has to do with the limits imposed by logic. Traditional logic studies the relationships of propositions and the validity of propositional reformulation. Logical studies define meaning itself as the valid deductions from any specific set of propositions.

The question is intricate because most of us aren't familiar with the limits imposed by logic. Traditional logic studies only propositions bound by a copula ("to be" verbs) and therefore most propositions must be rephrased even to become the object of this specific study. Logic deals with classes (or types) and tokens; class exclusion, inclusion, membership, identity, etc. Of all the conditions necessary to formal logic (they're not all listed here), which ones (if any) impose some element upon the text which 1) is not present 2) is against Biblical precedent?

I made referal to modes of perception because these are conditions which many people impose upon the Text. The philosopher Kant emphatically affirmed Time and Space as modes of perception that we utilize to analyze phenomena. The Word of God, though, deals with Eternity and Heavenly realms, reversibility of the past and continuity instead. So in some ways, we have to be careful with spazio-temporal bindings in our study.

I hope this helps to clarify my questions. In our employment of logic (any type - not just traditional) do we impose any conditions upon the Text which it does not embody? Does God's Word justify _THE_WAYS_ in which we use logic as we approach It?

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Subject: Logic in reasoning with the hethen


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Roger Mahan
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Date Posted: 10:59:16 12/28/01 Fri

One use of logic can be found in the presentation of the Word to those who do not know God. Since they function through human reasoning and logic, it is important for the evangelist to be familiar with those reasonings in order to deliver God's word in such a way that it can be understood.
In parables Jesus spoke in terms where human reasoning was highly familiar (e.g. sowing and reaping, light, salt, etc.) Human reasoning can understand the elements but it limits the application to the individual to mere temporal alterations. When Jesus said he spoke in parables so that those who hear would not perceive, he broaches this subject.
Human reasoning and physical elements can be useful in presenting God's word in an understandable form.
Now, is there a one way relationship in which God's widsom can be placed into human terms but man's wisdom cannot be shown in God's? Since God's foolishness is greater than man's wisdom, can man discover God through his own reasoning?

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Subject: Logic and The Limits of Human Intelligence


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Michael L Mahan
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Date Posted: 06:13:25 12/13/01 Thu

Given that the Word of God is objective and in no way subject to human interpretation, I would like to consider the role of logic and the so called "modes of perception" elaborated by Kant.

If the human responsability in response to Revelation is adoption of generalizzations and the demolition of propositional contradictions, how does logic relate to this? It seems that any attempt to impose propositional structural limitations upon the Text is unjustifiable, properly because these arguments are to be removed from our minds by the Text itself.

Therefore, what is the role of logic in our intelligence and in our "approach" to Scripture? Is logic similar to quantification or formal correspondece (Kant suggests this), things which we attempt to attribute to the text thereby profaning it? Is logic a completely unavoidable characteristic of human thought, as is semiotic linking?

One thing to remember: logic does not reveal truth, because 1) Revealed Truth must displace logical validity 2) the validity of any conclusion depends upon the Truthfulness of the premises.

What is the the importance and role of logic with regards to faithful intelligence and use of Scripture?

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Subject: Is Revelation a phenomenon?


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Michael L Mahan
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Date Posted: 06:35:31 12/12/01 Wed

I think many of us have understood that (sum) Revelation is obviously objective in its nature. According to Revelation 1:1-3 and other passages there seems to be an nature of the Revelation which negates its manipulation by any of those who delivered it. To be bried, the Word is never determined nor changed nor in any way dependent upon a subject.

From this same passage that describes the objective nature of the Word, we can say that at some point in time (the actual measurable chronological point is unimportant) the message was created in some type of noumenal existence.

What interests me at the present time is our responsability in representatng Revelation . Under normal conditions, any object (noumenon) is only accessable to us through the sensorum and thus we only deal with phenomena. Yet the nature of phenoma is such that we "probe" them in order to attach some sort of significance to them. No phenomenon may "explain" itself because of the literal impossibility of objectivity and because of the semiotic nature of existence. To be brief again, no fact inherently contains its own representation. The cartesian partition exists between every phenomenon and any description of it.

So here I pose the question: Does Revelation qualify as a phenomenon in the strictest sense? Scripture seems to act as in the indexical position, characterizing not only itself, but also all phenomenon. There is much more reasoning to go into this, but I prefer to offer the question to all your intellects. Help me out here. what arguments for and against this concept can you provide? Any insights?

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