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Date Posted: 15:26:07 09/30/04 Thu
Author: Joe
Subject: Re: are ubf leaders really "leaders"
In reply to: Nick T. 's message, "are ubf leaders really "leaders"" on 12:18:46 09/30/04 Thu

>>As a final comment, Brain, please tell us exactly how
>>many recruits you have made in the last 15 yers?
>
>UBF is not about finding "recruits", but about making
>disciples and preaching the gospel. There are 5
>students who found salvation in Jesus Christ through
>my Bible studies. Only one of these students now
>attend UBF services. None of the others have any
>malice toward me or UBF. They found the word of God
>and moved on. Preaching the gospel is not a business.
>Preaching the gospel is about obeying the word of God
>and lifting up Jesus. The mother of two of these
>students often still thank me, even recently, for
>Bible studies with their sons, as their son's sinful
>lives have changed. The parents of two others were
>quite grateful for my help to their sons during a
>difficult time in their lives.
>
>This man (Brian "The Brain" Karcher) spent 15 years to
>witness ubfstyle to 5 people, and one remains in ubf.
>A normal pastor can witness to 5 people in one day.
>What makes Brian a leader, other than he stacks up
>well compared to the other unqualifieds at ubf?

The other difference between a normal pastor and a UBF "pastor", a normal Christian leader and a UBF "leader" is that you will not find such willful boasting in a normal Christian leader even if he has led many people to Christ. Contrast that with people like Sam Lee who told people how much "God used him" at every opportunity. The culture of UBF encourages such boasting, such pride, such self-aggrandizement and exaggeration. You can hear such boasting in the sogams that are shared at every fellowship and "leaders" meeting. All these things tend to squeeze out grace, which is the heart and foundation of the gospel message that UBF claims to preach.

"UBF is not about finding 'recruits', but about making
disciples and preaching the gospel."

This is directly contradicted by the heavy numbers emphasis that still exists in UBF. Even words like "disciples" and "gospel" can be loaded words in UBF. Why do the majority of recruits leave UBF and not set foot in it again, even though they may retain "cordial" relations with their former "shepherds?" I think it's pretty much because they see that UBF's definition of "discipleship" includes all those elements that peg UBF as a cult or abusive church: heavy emphasis on human obedience, exclusivity, tithing by compulsion, attendance by compulsion, disrupted or broken relationships with family and the backbreaker: arranged marriage.

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Replies:

guaranteed low quality of ubf leaders -- Nick T., 17:05:17 10/01/04 Fri
- The "Layman" excuse -- Mike K., 12:24:06 10/02/04 Sat
  - Re: The "Layman" excuse -- E, 14:43:17 10/02/04 Sat