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Date Posted: 14:47:24 05/16/04 Sun
Author: ExUBFerCincinnati
Subject: Re: Indoctrination
In reply to: Amy 's message, "Re: Indoctrination" on 08:43:26 05/16/04 Sun

>Wow ExCinci. It sounds like you were set up by your
>shepherd and the Zun family. It sounds like they were
>looking for a reason to kick you out. Were you
>pointing out things that were wrong in UBF or talking
>about reform & maybe that's why they kicked you out?
>There is a man in Chicago UBF, Damon Londrigan, who
>many times punched holes in the Bible House wall,
>smashed a violin, broke his glasses, and punched his
>Bible teacher in the face, Dr. Ben Toh- I was there
>and saw it myself. But I don't recall him ever being
>kicked out. In fact, I remember Samuel Lee told Dr.Ben
>that he should have punched Damon back but Dr.Ben
>seemed to believe by not fighting back he did the
>right thing. Damon usually did all those things in a
>drunken rage. I tell you about Damon to say that if
>they kicked you out then UBF definitely should have
>kicked Damon out. UBF has no written code of
>discipline, but anyway it sounds like they wanted you
>out for other reasons. Why do you think they might
>have wanted you out?
>Does anyone know of any other cases of people being
>kicked out of UBF? I do remember Samuel Lee
>threatening to cast people out a lot or to send Korean
>missionaries to Korean churches for not
>bringing/feeding enough sheep.

Ok I'm writing this because I don't think the first reply went trough, if it did ignore this post.

There are many reason that run through my mind as to why I got kicked out but because my connection to UBF has been so throughly cut off I don't have any answers though I will give my opinion as to why I got the ole boot out of Cincinnati UBF.

First there is the possibility I may have been considered too unproductive by Msn. Sam Zun. Before the conference i was considered a "growing" shepard who was learning to be a leader and taking on additional responsabilities, but after our 2003 Summmer conference at South West Missouri State University last year , I openly voiced my disappointment with Msn. Sam Zun because it was like from a human perspective it was nice; nice people, nice food etc. However from a spiritual perspective I did not feel like I felt God was there and so this left me disappointed, if not a little frustrated after all the prayer, Romans memeorization and work we put into the conference. Also at the time I was only studying with one sheep. He was a Nigerian student who was living with me at the time and he also went to the center for worship service. but when I got kicked out I lost all access to Bible study material and so not only could we not study the Bible but he indirectly was kicked out of UBF also. So this could be one reason.
A Second reason could be that Joans may have thought he had my best intrest at heart when he prayed that I would"get mad, and ask God what the H*ll is going on?!" But when I "trashed" the room Jonas may have had to give an explanation as to Sam zun why I trashed the room with him in it, and from there he could have said something to have protected himself or maybe since we were both leaders in our fellowship he may have decided he wanted to have the fellowship all to himself, but I hope that is wrong because that would be pathetic and borderline conspiracy theory.

Third, Msn. Sam Zun could have simply heard what happened lost his temper, ordered me out of the ministry and than was too embarrassed to apologize, repent, whatever. He has confessed that in the past he use to kick people out who made him mad, so this might be a possibility.
I hope this help, but honestly I don't know why I really got kicked out. After I was excommunicated only one member called to talk to me, but even than they did not tell me why either, also I sent an e-Mail to Jonas asking him point blank did he set me up and why? He said he didn't and that he even tried to defend me in front of Sam Zun but he did not mention what he said. BUT I was told for the first time through him, that I could repent and come back, but by this time i had decided I had had enough and was not going back.

I haven'theard from anyone since, Jonas basically left the martial arts school that we both went to, but this April he did send a wedding invitation to my Tae Kwon Do instructor announcing his and Shepardess Rebekah Borim's wedding. So I guess the point here would be that in UBF you too can have a fairy tale ending;>-)

In Christ,
ExUBFerCincinnati

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