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Date Posted: 14:17:13 04/16/05 Sat
Author: Jo
Subject: Re: 2nd gen behavior
In reply to: Chris 's message, "2nd gen behavior" on 06:33:06 04/15/05 Fri

Hi Chris,

I am an ex-2nd gen from Germany, and I thought about the same thing, too. But, I must admit, before I got out of UBF and realized how they had manipulated me and others, I defended UBF the same way the other 2nd gens do at the moment. No clear arguments and no open mind. It's like there is a big wall or something that the leaders of UBF build around you and right before your eyes.

I remember talking to some of my non-Christian friends when I was a kid. They were wondering if the methods of UBF weren't strange and asked me questions that I could not answer properly but still I thought that there must be an answer, defended my position and did not let any doubts get into my heart. The older I got and by the time I got into puberty I had a sudden change of mind: I did not accept the methods of UBF anymore as long as they couldn't explain them to me properly. And they never could. So the doubts grew and grew.

Well, all I wanted to say is, all my childhood, the people from UBF told me how to live my life and what good and evil is. UBF has been my life. And the longer you stay in, the more you get infected. I mean, it is so hard to see that all your life has been a sort of fake. I think the people like Elia Lee (I know him) just get upset once they hear something against UBF, or better, something against their belief, their life, because deep inside they know it is true. And as they know it is true, they get scared deep within their heart. They are scared because they don't want their life to have been wasted by the people they had trusted in and, of course, by themselves. So they don't want it to be true and deliver arguments which are not very convinceable, they also want to convince themselves, because they do have doubts about the whole thing, but these doubts are being erased constantly by the leaders of UBF and their "shepherds".

I once wrote an email to all of the 2nd gens in Germany (It was the time shortly after the beginning of the separation). Actually, it was a response to an email from a guy who told all the 2nd gens to pray for Samuel Lee who recently had died. By that time, so many things had been discovered about the things going on in UBF. I wrote something like "How can you celebrate a man who does such things?". And some more, of course. I got a few answers like "Yes, I agree" from the separated 2nd gens, and one answer from a girl from Cologne, which means a "classic" 2nd gen. She told me that a Christian must learn to forgive!!! I concluded two things from that statement: She knew that there were huge problems and that the people from UBF were not right. But still she accepted the problems and did nothing against it but to forgive. Does that mean that whatever happens, she will forgive all the people and let them continue? Is that a sign of resignation? I don't know. And... don't you usually forgive someone when he is sorry for his fault? How can God forgive us and send us to heaven when we do not ask him to forgive us? Well, the people from UBF are neither sorry nor do they admit their faults. So the word "forgive" is used at the wrong place, I think.

I hope this example helps you understanding the thinking of some 2nd gens. I do not claim to be right, but this is my experience. And besides, I think the example with the communism fits well. It is a sort of propaganda.

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Re: 2nd gen behavior -- coadmin, 14:30:54 04/16/05 Sat
Re: 2nd gen behavior -- Chris, 15:36:52 04/16/05 Sat