VoyForums
[ Show ]
Support VoyForums
[ Shrink ]
VoyForums Announcement: Programming and providing support for this service has been a labor of love since 1997. We are one of the few services online who values our users' privacy, and have never sold your information. We have even fought hard to defend your privacy in legal cases; however, we've done it with almost no financial support -- paying out of pocket to continue providing the service. Due to the issues imposed on us by advertisers, we also stopped hosting most ads on the forums many years ago. We hope you appreciate our efforts.

Show your support by donating any amount. (Note: We are still technically a for-profit company, so your contribution is not tax-deductible.) PayPal Acct: Feedback:

Donate to VoyForums (PayPal):

Login ] [ Contact Forum Admin ] [ Main index ] [ Post a new message ] [ Search | Check update time | Archives: 12345678910 ]


[ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

Date Posted: 12:49:40 04/29/05 Fri
Author: PECAS
Subject: Why Does UBF Have Numbers Goals?
In reply to: Chris 's message, "UBF's Bible abuse" on 04:17:28 04/29/05 Fri

4. Why do many people in UBF track numbers of people?

"Another twist that is apparent in Brian's defense of keeping track of number is that he is already answering the wrong question, defending something that is only part of the problem. The real problem is not that UBF keeps track of numbers, but that they make out number goals for their members to reach, just like the number goals in Communist regimes. Who is UBF to set these numbers? Isn't God the one who knows the numbers? UBF's prayer topics mainly consist in numbers. Now show me where such prayer topics are "common practice" in either OT or NT. I know of NO case where anybody in the NT prayed for a number goal. The numbers mentioned were usually completely unexpected, and just documented. They did not pray for these numbers before."

UBF never discusses the real issue. Brian asked a question about tracking people that is not the real problem in UBF. The correct question is "why does UBF have numbers goals?' The Bible does not encourage numbers goals. The disciples did not pray for X disciples to be raised, for X flock of sheep in their ministry in ten years, or to send out X missionaries in the next century.
Neither the Old Testament nor the New Testament records numbers goal prayer topics. UBF requires all members to pray for personal and ministry number goals.

[ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

Post a message:
This forum requires an account to post.
[ Create Account ]
[ Login ]
[ Contact Forum Admin ]



Forum timezone: GMT-6
VF Version: 3.00b, ConfDB:
Before posting please read our privacy policy.
VoyForums(tm) is a Free Service from Voyager Info-Systems.
Copyright © 1998-2019 Voyager Info-Systems. All Rights Reserved.