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Date Posted: 03:31:26 05/16/04 Sun
Author: exUbFerCincinnati
Subject: Re: Indoctrination
In reply to: Amy 's message, "Re: Indoctrination" on 12:36:04 05/15/04 Sat

>"so once I was kicked out"
>
>Why were you kicked out?
>Thanks for writing.
>Amy
Why did I get kicked out? Hmmm... that is a good question and I will try to answer as best as possible, but first let me state what I am about to write will probably either sound silly, crazy or I'm just being vindictive, so bear with me. I don't fully know why I got kicked out, when I got excommunicated from UBF I tried talking to Msn. Sam Zun about it but he told me he did not want to talk about it and he has ignored me since than; so my information is strictly through my former fellowship leader Jonas Chen. When I got got kicked I had two accusations made against me one, I made a "condensending remark" towards a Korean missionary, but it was never elaboraded on so I don't for sure what that was about the second charge was that I got angry and trashed one of the rooms in the center, to that there is some truth so let me elaborate on that.
Back in August 2003, we had just returned from our Summmer Conference held in Missouri a couple weeks before and I was frustrated with the conference, because it was not one of our better ones, so I was disappointed in it, and I also had some issues in my personal life that was weighing me down. So one day after worship service Jonas called me into our fellowship room and he said that he could see that I was experiencing some frustrations in my life and that his prayer topic for me was "To get mad, and ask God what the H*ll is going on!" We than prayed with this topic in mind and afterwards he elaborated that I am the type of person who wants to be in control of my emotions and not let anything out but I needed to let it all out. I aked him if he meant that I should literally get mad, yell, and even thrown things around and he said yes. I than asked did he mean NOW in this VERY ROOM and he said Yes. So I literally kicked a couple of chairs over, turned one table over and basically that was it, nothing was broken or destroyed, I than put everything back in its place. That's when Msn. Hannah Zun came in and wanted to know what happened, and so I briefly explained what happened and she said "You can't destroy the center just because your mad." and than she left. Well I was done and so I left also.

The next day on Monday, I received a call from Jonas informing me that Msn. Sam Zun was "disturbed" about my behavior and that I was no longer welcomed back to Bible study. This shocked me so I pointed out to Jonas that it was his idea for me to do what I did, and that he said it was OK to do it. To this he simply said "Yea, that's true but I didn't mean for you to do it at the (UBF)center." This shocked me so much I didn't even ask him, If he didn't mean the center than where was I suppose to "get mad" at? Instead I just hung up the phone. Later that night I called Msn Sam Zun to see If it was true that I was kicked out and first he told me that "I didn't kick you out, you kicked yourself out." Than I asked him what did he hear, what did people say? and he said,"I DON"T WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT." And that was it folks, In short I told him after that I was sorry that Jonas was the one who told me that I was kicked out and that him (Sam Zun) my leader wouldn't tell me himself. Seriously, there was no hearing about my side of the story, no talk of restitution in case anything was damaged, no talk of repentence, no talk of anything, he didn't want to talk about it. A month later I sent an E-Mail out to him, once I figured things had cooled down, asking if he would now tell me what was said and why he made the decisions he did, along with a plea pointing out several cases in our chapter where people have persoanlly attacked his character, but he forgave them. Where two people started a fist fight in the center, and that was forgiven. One person even used the computers to download pornography but that was forgiven also, so I asked why he would not talk to me? Why couldn't I be forgiven if I did something wrong? but I never heard back from him since.

So that's the story I was out and Sam Zun did not want to discuss what happened. So in all honestly I don't know exactly whay I was excommunicated. Sam Zun has ignored me and what little information I got from Jonas afterwards I had to be suspicious about since he was the only one telling me why I got kicked out, and it was his "prayer topic" that got this whole mess started in the first place.
Now afterwards in front of God I repented of what I did. In my heart I knew there was something wrong with Jonas' prayer topic but I went ahead with it any way, this is my fault because Galatians 5:22-23 tells us "the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law." Jonas' prayer topic did not have love, joy, peace, or self-control, and apparently neither did my actions have these attributes that Sunday afternoon.
I sorry its late I have to stop here. If I'm crazy, or wrong I guess just let me know.

In Christ,
ExUbFerCincti

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