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Subject: SUSAN. Author: AV [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: Friday, May 02, 2025, 08:09: pm Susan, Hope your day was better today. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> Subject: Re: SUSAN. Author: Pam [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Sunday, May 04, 2025, 03:40: am Me too. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: SUSAN. Author: Susan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Sunday, May 04, 2025, 08:25: pm Thank you so much. I'm okay. Just dealing with my emotions. We had a bad day with our 12 year old son though. He knew when I tried to put him on a no flush rule that his day was coming when we were going to intervene with him and his huge bowel movements about every three days or so. My sister and I managed to catch him in the bathroom and I went in and blocked the door so he couldn't get out while she went and got a soapsuds enema ready. I don't want to say what all went on but her and I have bruises. We knew the two of us would get hurt trying to man handle him over her leg for his first enema but we managed to get him naked from the waist down and then we just waited him out. About an hour later once we got him crying we had him and we got him clamped in over her leg and I hurried an reheated his enema and we got on with it. He hates us both now and says we will never get another enema in him but he will be put on daily orange juice and Metamucil just like his sister and I are on and he will give us a bowel movement now every evening. Dad will get to be in charge of that. If you can't physically handle them but you can get them naked it does work. At some point they just want to get it over with so they can not have to be naked in front of you anymore. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: SUSAN. Author: AV [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Sunday, May 04, 2025, 10:07: pm Susan, I am so glad you checked in. I, personally, was getting worried. Always keep this in the forefront of your mind regarding your children, everything you are now doing is for their good and health. Do not give up on giving your son a cleansing goat milk enema. At the end, you won. He lost. He got the enema he told you he would not get. You continue with your sister and even maybe dad next time to clamp him over your sister’s leg and give him the enema he rightly needs to help him. Do not let him control this narrative. May I recommend something. And this is only a recommendation. Purchase an inflatable nozzle for your son. An enema nozzle with a balloon at the end that goes into him and you inflate it. It seals him and prevents him from pushing the enema solution out until you are ready for him to do so, plus after the bag empties in him, you can control how long he holds the solution, maybe an extra 10-15-20 seconds longer so the goat milk can go in deeper plus help turn his log into soft serve to not clog the toilet. Another thing the balloon nozzle will do for him is he can concentrate on his breathing and not worry about releasing any of the solution since he is sealed. Honestly, I am so thankful you and your sister are ok, plus I am thankful to read you were able to give your son his first enema. Waiting him out helped. Now, you know why mom waited until my bath time to not fight with getting the clothes off. Now I know dad will continue with the daily bulb enemas for him just like the daughter. I knew as well he would have an erection, it’s common. Thank you for sharing. Please continue to keep us posted. We want a good report to eventually through time to come out of this. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: SUSAN. Author: Susan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Sunday, May 04, 2025, 08:30: pm Oh and AV he had more than one erection! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: SUSAN. Author: AV [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Monday, May 05, 2025, 05:19: am Susan, I meant to ask, Was the results of the enema satisfactory? Did the enema help your son push a log out easier? Don’t get me wrong on my recommendation of a retention nozzle to use. With your son’s stubbornness and attitude of “you will never get another enema in me”, not only will he continue to “kick and hit you hard” but he may decide to release the solution early on you and sister out of meanness. To prevent that from ever happening to you and your sister, you use a retention inflatable nozzle so right now as you begin to give him his cleansing enemas, he will not be able to release early because he will be pushing against a balloon sealing him. You will be slowly training him to cry and give in to receiving the enema without any resistance. Teach him to breath and allow the enema to work on soft serving the log to prevent any clogs in the toilet. Something to really consider. Dad’s enemas in the evening and with dad’s help controlling the narrative of your son getting enemas, he will eventually give in plus the orange juice mix will help for sure. You and your family are on a road to a better life style for sure. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: SUSAN. Author: Susan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Monday, May 05, 2025, 08:35: am AV I have so much going on in my head right now. I've been forced to face the fact that I am a holder and have to admit it to my family. They actually already knew but now it is out in the open and there is no denying it. I only ever rarely have a small smear in my underwear. I guess I was just always really good at it. And as soon as I can get to a 'safe' bathroom I will let it out. But having to poop disgusts me. Always has. I am able to relate so much to how Kitten Paw says getting an enema pushes her buttons. It's not having to be naked for my sister or husband for them to help me, no force me, take my enema. They both were there for the birth of our two. They both watched my Doula give me those two Fleet enemas. What's hard for me is like Kitten Paw says, I'm forced on the toilet to perform, to produce. That is such an emotional trip for me. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: SUSAN. Author: AV [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Monday, May 05, 2025, 10:00: am Susan, Many of us also were holders as well. We can all relate to the emotional side. Continue to think of this though as a healing process. You are in a safe place here. Not only are you helping yourself, and it’s hard because of all of the emotions, but you are preventing your children from going through what you are experiencing now. Much love and peace to you and your family. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: SUSAN. Author: Susan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Monday, May 05, 2025, 10:07: am Well since I'm also on the receiving end of clean outs AV I'm kind of out of the decision making too. I can tell you that she takes the flow of the enemas really slow and so we don't have a problem keeping up and taking it all in. I know that I and my son don't have any problem with leaking. So my son did have a very large stool that came out with his soap suds enema. And he had a lot of stool backed up in him that came out even with the first rinse enema. So he definitely needed cleaned out. My sister wants all three of us on the same Sunday for our enemas so we all will be on for this coming Sunday. Our younguns don't know yet. We will deal with them and their enemas on Sunday. A Sunday surprise! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: SUSAN. Author: Shelly [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Monday, May 05, 2025, 10:26: am Susan, I echo what AV says. You are in a safe place here. Let your emotions pour out here and face the poop demon. This Sunday will be a good start for the three of you to know you are in this together. Your children can take an example from how you react to needing your enemas too. Use that opportunity to show them how to handle this issue of taking care of their colon health. Since you and your daughter will be in your master bedroom and bathroom your sister will need dad or her nurse assistant to help her with your son. I'm sure she has planned for that. Your son I'm going to predict will behave very differently for her when you are not present. Just like your daughter did. I don't think he will give her much trouble at all. He is all talk and no fight. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: SUSAN. Author: Susan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Monday, May 05, 2025, 11:30: am Shelly I know how your babysitter feels dreading her next clean out. It's almost overwhelming. It's not something you want to share with others. It is like going back to toilet training and it is very emotional for me. But this is my fate so that I can set an example for our two young ones. I wish I could go back to my daughter's age and get this intervention then instead of having to do it now. But I'll be okay. I can do this. I actually was able to have a bowel movement two nights in a row now without needing my suppository. Yay! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: SUSAN. Author: AV [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Monday, May 05, 2025, 06:52: pm Susan, You focus on your healing and health and let sister, nurse assistant, and dad take care of the children. That may be better advice. Don’t let their stress and anger give you anxiety and interfere with your colon. Stay focus on you. I also agree with Shelly, your son is all talk and no fight. Sister and assistant will take care of him. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: SUSAN. Author: AV [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Monday, May 05, 2025, 08:37: pm Susan, We also celebrate with you for going two nights in a row without needing my suppository. That is a huge accomplishment! Yes! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: SUSAN. Author: Susan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Tuesday, May 06, 2025, 09:57: am Yeah I know right? I was so proud of myself that I could go without having to have a suppository. Like Kitten Paw says, it's like time travel to a toddler being so proud that she pooped in her potty. It's like I'm locked in a toddler stage of growth where I never got comfortable using my potty. It is an awful existence. To be afraid of your own bowel movements into adult hood. And there is little help for children that hold much less us adults that hold. It is figured that we will just out grow it and wise up at some point and use the toilet instead of our pants. It's not that simple. I was in denial that I had a problem. That it is not okay to be afraid of my own bowel movements, to be disgusted by them, to wish I never ever had to have another bowel movement. I want so badly for our two children to not have to grow up feeling the same way and holding in their poop. And I want to recover from it too. I want that so much. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: SUSAN. Author: AV [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Tuesday, May 06, 2025, 10:20: am Susan, You are doing good. Have you tried sits? Go and just sit on the toilet to train your body. That is what I did to help me. I went and relaxed, took deep breaths, and allowed my body to go if it needed to. Now, around 7am, I have to make my way to a bathroom because my body thinks that is poop time. How are the kids doing with the afternoon enema with dad? Daughter doing better? Son go on his own or had to have an enema by dad? Continue to take care. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: SUSAN. Author: Maude [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Tuesday, May 06, 2025, 10:19: am We all celebrate with you Susan. You have already made great progress. Just talking about it with us is a sign of growth and a start to healing. I am concerned that you are probably backed up even though you are getting a stool out each evening. You have over the years stretched out your colon. I would be cleaning you out once a week. I know you don't want to hear that but you have for years been walking around with a full and stretched out colon. Once a week emptying is necessary for your colon to shrink back down to something close to normal. Husband can help you with your enemas. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]