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Date Posted: 06:16:54 03/13/02 Wed
Author: Princess Twilite
Subject: "A Walk Down Memory Lane: Hero" Thread...
Now the episode Hero, is one I've been waiting to discuss..it should definitely generate a lot of discussion. I loved doyle and yes I cried when he died, though it resulted in major character development for Cordy... it's strange how a character can have such an impact on an audience, the viewers when he was only on the show for nine episodes.. but man- what a nine eps it was. But him going also made room for Wes, and as you all know.. I'm a WesObsesse:)
Script:http://www.studiesinwords.de/a09heroes.html
ScreenCaps:http://sanctuary.digitalspace.net/ep6-9/hero.htm
And the ending... with Doyle's commercial.. ah that made the heart ache something fierce. Great now I'm in Doyle mode- I would really love for him to come back for just one episode.. as a ghost of just back to life for a bit.. Have I mentioned how much I'm loveing the fic " The Luck 'O the Irish" Well, if not, I am-- for obvious reasons:)
Well start discussing!
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Re: "A Walk Down Memory Lane: Hero" Thread... -- rousedower, 10:21:26 03/13/02 Wed
This ep was so rushed.
And when we started getting conflicting views as to why Doyle recieved the visions in the first place, apparently they were a form of punishment for him. Those Nazi demons were stupid, too.
This was an "eh" ep, for me. I liked Doyle, but didn't really care when he died. I thought it was sadder when Angel was about to sacrifice himself, because you could see the tears in his eyes, he really didn't want to do it, and of course Cordy was more upset at the prospect of Angel committing suicide than she was at Doyle doing it.
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Re: "A Walk Down Memory Lane: Hero" Thread... -- LadyFireHorse, 10:28:20 03/13/02 Wed
This was the episode I ended with the day I got my season one tapes in the mail. So in one day's time I had gotten so attached to Doyle that I bawled like a baby when he died.
I also love Wes and how far Cordy has come since his death but I still think he added so much to the group they had at the time. He really seemed to be able to pull Angel out. Look how Doyle was the one person Angel confided in about what had happened with Buffy and the oracles taking back the day. Now he talks to Cordy like that but back then it seemed to be just Doyle.
I thought this was a strong episode. An underlying message about what hate can do (not unlike "Billy") only this time in a more "nazi" tone having to do with the anialation (sp?) of a race....in this case HUMANS or any halfbreed of.
A nice come back I think from the previous Buffygush....lol
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Re: "A Walk Down Memory Lane: Hero" Thread... -- Morrigan, 10:30:28 03/13/02 Wed
Had to duck out on yesterday's discussion couldn't bring myself to read the transcript for IWRY.
It's funny how I had no emotional investment in Doyle or C/D up until "Bachelor Party" I'm still very bitter with ME that they would get me to like a character just to kill him off : ). I really enjoyed this eppy. It's clear how much Cordy cares about both Doyle and Angel. I didn't remember that Doyle told Cordy about the B/A's day that never was.
Eppy goodness, Cordy continues her emotional growth. Doyle dies a heroic death which brings A/C closer together : ) - always a plus. I liked Doyle in this and missed him in "Parting Gifts". Didn't really like Wes when they first brought him to ATS way to much of a bumbling idiot. Thankfully that was pretty much all cleared up by, TSILA.
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Re: "A Walk Down Memory Lane: Hero" Thread... -- dannyblue, 10:48:15 03/13/02 Wed
While I don't quite get the folks who are still devoted to Doyle 2 years after he died, I did like his character. When he sacrificed himself, it kind of broke my heart. I got teary. (ATS is one of the only shows that can do that to me.)
But I must add I was never a C/Der. I wouldn't have been bothered by them dating, but I wasn't *aching* for them to be together. Still, I'm glad Cordy told him she'd go out with him before he died. And I'm glad he got to kiss the woman of his dreams befor his noble sacrifice.
>Now the episode Hero, is one I've been waiting to
>discuss..it should definitely generate a lot of
>discussion. I loved doyle and yes I cried when he
>died, though it resulted in major character
>development for Cordy... it's strange how a character
>can have such an impact on an audience, the viewers
>when he was only on the show for nine episodes.. but
>man- what a nine eps it was. But him going also made
>room for Wes, and as you all know.. I'm a WesObsesse:)
>
>Script:http://www.studiesinwords.de/a09heroes.html
>ScreenCaps:http://sanctuary.digitalspace.net/ep6-9/hero
>.htm
>
>
>And the ending... with Doyle's commercial.. ah that
>made the heart ache something fierce. Great now I'm in
>Doyle mode- I would really love for him to come back
>for just one episode.. as a ghost of just back to life
>for a bit.. Have I mentioned how much I'm loveing the
>fic " The Luck 'O the Irish" Well, if not, I am-- for
>obvious reasons:)
>
>Well start discussing!
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Re: "A Walk Down Memory Lane: Hero" Thread... -- rousedower, 11:53:29 03/13/02 Wed
I've never gotten teary at anything on BtVS or AtS.
>While I don't quite get the folks who are still
>devoted to Doyle 2 years after he died, I did like his
>character. When he sacrificed himself, it kind of
>broke my heart. I got teary. (ATS is one of the only
>shows that can do that to me.)
>
>But I must add I was never a C/Der. I wouldn't have
>been bothered by them dating, but I wasn't *aching*
>for them to be together. Still, I'm glad Cordy told
>him she'd go out with him before he died. And I'm glad
>he got to kiss the woman of his dreams befor his noble
>sacrifice.
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>>Now the episode Hero, is one I've been waiting to
>>discuss..it should definitely generate a lot of
>>discussion. I loved doyle and yes I cried when he
>>died, though it resulted in major character
>>development for Cordy... it's strange how a character
>>can have such an impact on an audience, the viewers
>>when he was only on the show for nine episodes.. but
>>man- what a nine eps it was. But him going also made
>>room for Wes, and as you all know.. I'm a WesObsesse:)
>>
>>Script:http://www.studiesinwords.de/a09heroes.html
>>ScreenCaps:http://sanctuary.digitalspace.net/ep6-9/her
>o
>>.htm
>>
>>
>>And the ending... with Doyle's commercial.. ah that
>>made the heart ache something fierce. Great now I'm in
>>Doyle mode- I would really love for him to come back
>>for just one episode.. as a ghost of just back to life
>>for a bit.. Have I mentioned how much I'm loveing the
>>fic " The Luck 'O the Irish" Well, if not, I am-- for
>>obvious reasons:)
>>
>>Well start discussing!
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Re: "A Walk Down Memory Lane: Hero" Thread... -- dannyblue, 14:06:00 03/13/02 Wed
Oh, it's not that I'm not embarrassed to admit it. But the truth is the truth. There are several eps of ATS and BTVS that have had me turning away from friends and family to "get something out of my eye." And it's not like I'm a sap or anything. But, sometimes, they just manage to get me.
>I've never gotten teary at anything on BtVS or AtS.
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>>While I don't quite get the folks who are still
>>devoted to Doyle 2 years after he died, I did like his
>>character. When he sacrificed himself, it kind of
>>broke my heart. I got teary. (ATS is one of the only
>>shows that can do that to me.)
>>
>>But I must add I was never a C/Der. I wouldn't have
>>been bothered by them dating, but I wasn't *aching*
>>for them to be together. Still, I'm glad Cordy told
>>him she'd go out with him before he died. And I'm glad
>>he got to kiss the woman of his dreams befor his noble
>>sacrifice.
>>
>>
>>
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>>>Now the episode Hero, is one I've been waiting to
>>>discuss..it should definitely generate a lot of
>>>discussion. I loved doyle and yes I cried when he
>>>died, though it resulted in major character
>>>development for Cordy... it's strange how a character
>>>can have such an impact on an audience, the viewers
>>>when he was only on the show for nine episodes.. but
>>>man- what a nine eps it was. But him going also made
>>>room for Wes, and as you all know.. I'm a
>WesObsesse:)
>>>
>>>Script:http://www.studiesinwords.de/a09heroes.html
>>>ScreenCaps:http://sanctuary.digitalspace.net/ep6-9/he
>r
>>o
>>>.htm
>>>
>>>
>>>And the ending... with Doyle's commercial.. ah that
>>>made the heart ache something fierce. Great now I'm
>in
>>>Doyle mode- I would really love for him to come back
>>>for just one episode.. as a ghost of just back to
>life
>>>for a bit.. Have I mentioned how much I'm loveing the
>>>fic " The Luck 'O the Irish" Well, if not, I am-- for
>>>obvious reasons:)
>>>
>>>Well start discussing!
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Re: "A Walk Down Memory Lane: Hero" Thread... -- Angela, 21:19:30 03/13/02 Wed
There have been several eps of both series that have made me cry like a baby. (I cry pretty easily, and that may have something to do with it.) I just rewatched The Body and Forever--both of 'em made me cry. One thing I'll say for SMG, she makes good cry-face. When she's telling Dawn that she has to keep doing things because when she stops, Joyce is really gone... ::sniff:: Cried in Hero, even though I wasn't a C/Der. Cried during The Gift, although it didn't pack nearly the emotional wallop that The Body/Forever did, IMO. And as embarassed as I am to admit it, I cried a lot during IWRY. I've never once rewatched that one, though.
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Re: "A Walk Down Memory Lane: Hero" Thread... -- SamIAm, 16:39:26 03/13/02 Wed
>I've never gotten teary at anything on BtVS or AtS.
Really? "Is that it? Am I done?" gets me every single time.
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Re: "A Walk Down Memory Lane: Hero" Thread... -- Iris, 14:56:53 03/13/02 Wed
I looove the comercials - the one at the begining was so funny and the one at the end was sad. I just crack up at Cordy and Doyles conversation about angel at the end of the scene when they film the ad
Cordy "Maybe we should get him a costume!"
Doyle "A costume?"
C "Well the guy's a bonified hero. Would it kill him to put on some tights and a cape and garner us a little free publicity?"
D "I don't really see Angel putting on tights - Oh now I do and it's really disturbing."
My heart just breaks when Doyle jumps over to the light and Angel is shouting "No!No!" and Cordy just seems to be parlised. Cordy and Angel are fighters it must have been horrible to stand there and watch their friend die and not be able to do *anything*. Then when the light fades and he's gone how they just turn and cling to each other. Can you imagine Angel of Sunnydale clinging to someone like that?
I loved Doyle but seeing how things turned out I kinda have to be glad they killed him off. To me Doyle provided a buffer between Angel and Cordy in the early days of their friendship, which was a good thing 'cause they probably would have managed to drive each other nuts before they started to change into people who could live with each other. By the time Doyle died they had each changed sufficiently that they didn't need the buffer of his presence anymore - they were able to find their own groove. I miss Doyle so much but his death allowed Angel and Cory to grow together.
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Re: "A Walk Down Memory Lane: Hero" Thread... -- SamIAm, 16:45:58 03/13/02 Wed
"Hero" is one of my "best of the best" episodes, even with the Nazi demons. I was always upset we never got more of Doyle's history, of course. It's long been my belief that shelving IWRY for a Doyle-centric episode would have been a great idea. But the moment when Doyle tells Angel "The good fight, yeah? You never know until you've been tested. I get that now." defines what a hero is. I love this episode in spite of it's flaws.
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Re: "A Walk Down Memory Lane: Hero" Thread... -- Trouble, 19:36:14 03/13/02 Wed
This was actually the ep that got me watching ats. Before this one, I'd found the episodes (besides Rm w/ a vu, one of my favorites) boring and kind of cheesy. But this ep had me hooked. I don't know, I didn't like Doyle (at all!) but I thought it was well written.
Ian
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Re: "A Walk Down Memory Lane: Hero" Thread... -- felmitch, 22:12:24 03/13/02 Wed
>I thought this was a pretty good episode. It definitely brought A/C closer together. Cordy was pretty upset when Angel was going to sacrifice himself. I felt bad for Doyle because he was beginning to grow on me. He had some really good lines in the show and he helped Angel in a lot of ways, especially as a confidante. But I have to admit, Wesley as his replacement was a very smart move.
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