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Date Posted: 11:07:43 04/10/02 Wed
Author: Jess
Subject: Re: IC discussion of what to do after 4/6/2002 session (cont'd)
In reply to: Chris 's message, "Re: IC discussion of what to do after 4/6/2002 session (cont'd)" on 07:49:16 04/10/02 Wed

>>i've never thrown a
>>punch in my life. but, i do think it's fair to
>>consider ourselves "under attack" at this point. we
>>need to make decisions of survival, so i think we need
>>to suspend any "moral" condemnations we may have for
>>either group's actions.
>
>I agree, if our saftey is at stake we have to find a
>choice that will keep us safe. But, by the same
>token, we are going to have to live with this choice,
>so a choice that makes us feel morally wrong, and
>consiquentally unhappy, is not a good choice either.

I actually think the more important point here is that we shouldn't make decisions of principle - because if everything I've read is true, we don't have that luxury. I don't think we can afford to pick sides based on what we believe in or what our ideals are. Honestly, we might just have to wait and see which side is going to let us live the way we want to, propaganda and idealism aside.

As for whether we're under attack by the Technocracy - I think there are good odds that the whole "attack" at the bar was staged by Jimmy, Jesse and Joe for our benefit to make us feel exactly as I do. Even though the bar's been closed since then, I think there's a chance that our good opinion (and fear of the Technocracy) matters more to them than a few days' revenue.

On the other hand, they basically threatened to kill Chris. Kill him. Like - dead. That really upsets me, and that alone makes me think that we're in danger from these people who claim to be our allies. There's no question in my mind that these people are willing to kill over these things, but I think we shouldn't forget that it's BOTH sides who are going to be trying to kill us if we make the "wrong" choice.

>Lets seperate "science" from the technocracy. I think
>our only hope to understand what is going on is
>science, or at least the scientific method of
>thinking. We need to try to approach this rationally
>as best we can. But that doesn't mean we need to
>agree with the technocracies belifs about personal
>freedoms, not that we know those to be true.

I'm with you on the scientific method front - we have to figure out what the rules and laws of this magic stuff are. On the other hand, I also agree that what we know about BOTH sides are just propaganda - that's why we have to learn as much as we can without letting on that we're comparing notes, so we can catch them out in how they're trying to sell us on each side.

Have you guys considered that we might want to hear the Technocracy side of things? I don't know how/whether one would get in touch with them safely, but I thought I'd toss that idea out there.

>I completely agree, we can barely control our own
>abilities, we can't hope to control any backlash. We
>need to be very careful with what we do, and I think
>we need to stop doing anything untill we know more.
>But I know you guys disagree with me.

Um - I think it might be more dangerous not to know what we can do. Didn't Joe say something about it just building up and coming out at random times if we don't channel it and use it? If it's some sort of vital force, some kind of biological or psychological need, it's going to build up over time and burst whatever dams we try to place on it, especially since we don't even know what we're doing when it comes to control.

We at least need to learn enough to control it.

Jess

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