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Date Posted: 11:02:22 11/20/00 Mon
Author: josh*
Subject: Re: The theory of evoloution
In reply to: Nathaniel Braun 's message, "Re: The theory of evoloution" on 21:32:39 11/19/00 Sun

> Anyone,
I too try to learn. After being taught biology in a private school and partly in a private school I have found that the theory of evoloution to me is untrue. Why? Because the facts presented to me don't seem possible. Throughout these responses back and forth on this site and through e-mail I have been targeted as a person who is racist, over bearing, and a person who wants to throw their opinions down your throats. I am not a person like that at all. I am just merely stating personal ideas and then raising questions that would play the devil's advocate. About the theory of evoloution. I do not claim to know that God did not use the theory of evoloution to create man, but I do choose to believe that he didn't. There is a fine difference between the two. Like you said Nathaniel, you are trying to learn as am I. I do have some statements and likewise theories that I would like to present to try and disprove the theory of evoloution. I don't have them prepared right now so I cannot present them right now. I will get back to you all. Have a great day. God Bless.
Josh*



Josh,
> I would like to respond on a few points of yours. To
> be a likeness of God, it is not necessary to look like
> God. Allow me to explain. I am Jewish, and come from
> a fairly religious family, which may come as somewhat
> of a shock to some. I also speak and read Hebrew
> fluently, and can clarify a few of the quotations you
> cited from the Bible, as the Bible originally was
> written in Hebrew, I feel I can provide some form of
> translation-no matter what my personal views are. The
> original Hebrew text reads "let us make man in our
> image, after our likeness." Leading me to infer that
> man was created to be akin to God, to be Godly,
> God-Like, but not God. In neither Judaism nor
> Christianity is God ever described in any physical
> appearance, only in actions, impressions, no physical
> form is given to God. However, this does not prove or
> disprove the big bang, does not prove or disprove
> evolution, just displays a part God may have played in
> these occurences. Why could not man have evolved to
> the point in which God gave mankind an intellect such
> as God's own, and thus been given the ability to rule
> and decide? I will not, for the sake of peace, share
> my personal observations on this particular topic, as
> it is a touchy topic, and one upon which i have no
> clear position yet, I try to learn.
>
> -Nathaniel
>
>
>
>
> > Claire,
> >
> > Evoloution is a not necessarily a touchy subject for
> > everyone but it gets people stirring. If there is one
> > thing I noticed about people up at the forum. Yes, up
> > I am from SC!!!! Which probably means I am a hooded
> > racist. (GOOD LORD!!!) Anyways, about people at the
> > forum. I noticed that people try their hardest to be
> > so politcally correct. They try so hard not to step
> on
> > other people's toes. In my opinion the majority of
> > people at the convention thing were not very
> > opinionated. Why? Because they sounded exactly like
> > eachother. I found myself being the only one at the
> > whole place who actually thought on my own. Now,
> > people will respond by saying. " I think on my
> own!!!"
> > I noticed a lot of people that talked like George W.
> > Bush, and Al Gore. It seemed that the students got
> > their opinions from someone else who also received
> > them from someone else. This ties into the theory of
> > evoloution. See, 2000 years ago (I believe this with
> > absolute truth) a man named Jesus Christ died on a
> > tree paying the ultimate price for my salvation. His
> > father is my father and I listen to him. It says very
> > clearly in Genesis 1:26-27:'Then God said, "Let us
> > make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them
> > rule over the fish of the sea and the birds and the
> > air, over the livestock, over all the, and over all
> > the creatures that move along the ground." So God
> > created man in his own image, in the image of God he
> > created him; male and female he created them.' To me
> > it says there that God created us. There was no big
> > bang theory there was no evoloutinary process, and I
> > believe that if God wanted us to believe in that than
> > he would mention the whole idealogie. Your question
> of
> > belief in genetics and dinosaurs are extremely good
> > questions. I have trouble answering those. Because
> > dinosaurs are hard to disprove. You said you weren't
> a
> > very religous person, but I would wager to say that
> > you know the principles of the bible and the ideas
> > that are expressed in the first 6 days. Now, nobody
> > nows how long those days were, and what the time was
> > in between those. It is possible that it could have
> > been an extremely long time in which those days took
> > place. I am not sure. For that reason, I am unsure
> > about dinosaurs and there existence. I know they find
> > bones and all, but that doesn't mean I have to
> believe
> > it keep in mind. Your question about genetics. I
> > would have to say it is apparent that kids receive
> > traits from their parents. I will probably put myself
> > in a hole by saying that, but oh well. Because I am
> > not a scientist I cannot answer that with absolute
> > reasoning. I want you to know that Charles Darwin,
> > the inventor of the theory of evoloution, denied his
> > theory on his death bed and believe wholly in the
> > bible. To me the theory of evoloution is what it is.
> A
> > theory. All in all I can't wait til' heaven to find
> > the answers to many of these questions, but for now I
> > will choose to believe what it says in the bible. For
> > that reason I don't believe in the theory of
> > evoloution.
> >
> > Josh*
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Josh! I really respect much of what you have to
> > > say, although I do not agree with it all, because
> you
> > > seem to convey your messages with authority and
> > > confidence. Nice work. The real issue I wanted to
> > > disucss with you is evolution. Like I said in a
> > > previous e-mail, I am not a very religious person
> > > although I was brought up in a Congregational
> > > Protestant household. We are a moderate-to-liberal
> > > family, and my sister is majoring in anthropolgy at
> > > the University of Chicago, and her best friend is
> > > majoring in biological anthropolgy there.
> Currently,
> > > he is in the Sahara Desert in the nation of Niger
> > > working on a dinosaur dig.
> > > I really would like to know what your views are on
> > the
> > > Creation and theories of evolution. I have never
> had
> > > the chance to talk about these issues with someone
> > who
> > > did not believe in evolution. Do you believe in
> > > dinosaurs? What about genetics? Do you believe that
> > > you can have kids and pass down your traits to
> them?
> > > These are just some q's I have had. Please respond
> > > honestly. Thanks for setting up this chat deal.
> > > --Claire, Chicago

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