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Subject: Up's and downs of life - actually, LAB


Author:
Bruce Wilson
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Date Posted: 20:53:21 03/28/03 Fri

greetings all you former fellow band members -

i just finished reading alan valentines biography of success, and i can tell you first hand, life has it's share of ups and downs, sometimes more downs that ups. well, don't get me wrong, my life for me is pretty good overall, but, i've known a few others who were in band, and some have had a hard time getting all of life together.

funny thing is, i would have expected alan valentine to have been one of the lesser blessed in life. yet, i did not know him hardly at all, just my impression from a distance. i seem to have this memory of him burning rubber in that old volkswagon of his...

for those who do not remember me, i was the youngest of the 3 band members, Scott (drummer), Bryan (trumpet), and me, trombone. I will not be attending the reunion for several reasons, the most major being that my wife's sister is getting married that weeked (and it is a BIG - HUGE - Wonderful event!).

But, my purpose in writing is to just make this statement, those who read these really wonder biographies, of various classmates, and how successful they've been, ultimately, what makes a life success is your eventual outcome. many would consider Elvis Presley to have been a huge success, and yet, dying on the toilet, with a feeling of near hopelessness, is in many eyes near a total failure.

Me, i have had my shares of ups and downs, but when i consider that i am still married to the same person (Valerie - a NON bandie!), since 1981, i know that having love of someone you love is far more important that any of the millions i have made (just kidding).

No, probably the most important thing in my life is hearing the whisper of God in my heart, telling me his little secrets, his quiet words of love and appreciation, and, knowing the love of your savior is more that any success or promotion, or any kind of huge bank account.

So how has your life played out these 20+ years? do not be ashamed of your life of averageness, as it is not the bank account, nor the number of limo's, nor the number of names you can drop (and please, i do NOT mean to say anything against alan valentine!).

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[> Subject: Re: Up's and downs of life


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Debbie
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Date Posted: 13:57:12 03/29/03 Sat

I like to think I’m a success because, despite all the ups and downs over the years (and believe me, there have been many, just as with most of us, I’d wager), I’m still a good person who turned out well thanks to my parents raising me the way they did (although I didn’t necessarily appreciate it at the time!) and making sure I got an education, no matter what I did with it. You don’t go to college to major in English and then work in government-run psychiatric hospitals with the goal of getting rich, believe me! But my life was indeed enriched by all those experiences, not the least because I appreciate things that I might not have otherwise, and now I’m happily married and just plain happy with my life. It took a heck of a lot longer than I would have liked, but I’ve finally “arrived,” well, by my standards, anyway.

As for Alan, I honestly expected him to be a rocket scientist or an academic by now (never could picture him as an accountant, though), so on reading his reply to my “Music Careers” question I was rather surprised to find he was neither. But my other immediate reaction was to be extremely pleased to find he’d achieved such (hard-earned and well-deserved, I’m sure) success in a completely different field of endeavour, especially one as competitive as music. And those among us who are parents probably were equally as thrilled to find he had chosen a career managing symphony orchestras rather than taking a couple of other career paths, given his driving prowess in the Band Hall parking lot, namely teaching Driver’s Ed or driving limos to high school proms. (Here’s to Alan for making a lot of people happy with his choice. Good on you, mate!)

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[> Subject: Re: Up's and downs of life - actually, LAB


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Susan Taylor Jolly
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Date Posted: 18:17:54 03/29/03 Sat

Hi Bruce! I was so glad to see your post, and so happy to hear you and Val are doing well!!
You know, I think you were probably not talking specifically about Alan V., but rather that elephant that is always in the room at every reunion type event, and is the reason why many people avoid reunions like the plague. On some level, because we are human, we all feel we are being sized up based on our type of career, marital status or singleness, height, weight, looks, bank account, clothing, politics, and social contacts. Essentially all those things we thought would go away after high school. Many of us have grown comfortable in our own skin and circumstances, many of us haven't. Many will feel no discomfort in that setting, many will be very uncomfortable. Some will be courageous about being truly transparent, and many just won't be able to. All have had life successes ranging from "average" to wildly successful, and difficulties ranging from annoying to painfully tragic. We're all just folks, and will probably just have to practice rejoicing with those who rejoice, and weep with those who weep, and try to enjoy each others' company for a few hours in April, as well as the really interesting posts here on the web page.
As for me, my life is very average, in all respects. I'm still married to Larry Jolly, I have three wonderful children I've stayed at home with for the last 18 years, I am the accountant for Larry's graphic design business (I do the books from home), and though life has been entirely different from what I expected, I do have a tremendous amount to be thankful for and content about. Thanks for your honesty, it's always refreshing. Hopefully, we'll all remember that web-posts and emails can be dangerous ground for misinterpretation because we can't hear each others' tone and inflection.
I'll miss seeing you at the reunion, but maybe you can make the next one.

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[> Subject: Re: Up's and downs of life - actually, LAB


Author:
Alan D. Valentine
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Date Posted: 21:25:12 03/29/03 Sat

Hi Bruce:

It was good to hear from you, and I'm sorry you won't be at the reunion - you will be missed. Even though we did not know each other well, we all share a common bond through our band experiences which should make for an enjoyable time of renewing old friendships.

Just so you know, I did not misinterpret your post, and I hope you did not misinterpret my "Careers" diatribe, either. I was simply responding to a specific question about a **single aspect** of my life, and one for which I have **boundless** enthusiasm. It is also an aspect of my life for which I must give my band experience and Mr. K much credit. I never would have "found" my life's calling, had it not been for my senior year in the Marshall band. However, the credit for any success I may have had since, I give entirely to God for doing for me what I cannot, to and my parents for teaching me how to do my part.

Susan is right - we are ALL just folks - imperfect human beings. What I have learned about life, however, is that it is all about PERSPECTIVE - not so much about what happens to us or around us, good, bad or otherwise, but how we respond to it.

Lest anyone think my life has been a bed of roses, rest assured that I have had my share of ups and downs, and the only thing of which I am certain is that there are more ahead. You should know that I have, in fact experienced and overcome tremendous (almost tragic) adversity in my life. In truth, the low points in my life fall WAY below what one might describe as average. Today, however, no matter what is happening in my life, I am successful because I am allowed to make a choice everyday when I wake up. I can either choose to be miserable, negative, angry, resentful, afraid and filled with self-pity, or I can choose to be happy, joyous and free. I choose the latter. Like Debbie, it just took me longer than I would have liked to learn how (and I am still learning)!

And congratulations to you, Bruce, for finding the things that really matter in life! Best regards.

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[> Subject: Re: Up's and downs of life


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Debbie
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Date Posted: 22:19:55 03/29/03 Sat

Bruce, although I neglected to mention it earlier, I have to tell you that it's so nice to hear from you and others I've heard from recently who "got it right" the first time around in the marriage sweepstakes. Some of us can't say we were as successful as that, although not necessarily for a lack of trying, it must be said, but I admire those of you who are. Especially since I didn't arrive at that point (being happily married), one of my admittedly modest indicators of my own success in life, until I was (jeez, can it be?!) 45 years old. Hopefully you can make it to the next reunion and let this "newlywed" in on the secret of your success.

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[> Subject: Re: Up's and downs of life - actually, LAB


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Kim Kuentz Melchert
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Date Posted: 14:20:55 03/31/03 Mon

Bruce, I, too, join in the rest in saying that it was nice to see your entry and comments on the band's discussion page. I don't think anyone in band during those years would forget the Wilson bros., primarily for y'all's music abilities. As a freshman? (or maybe soph)I remember marching near you and having a school girl's crush and your funny sense of humor. Reading comments/responses on this discussion page brings back a lot of fond memories about people I haven't thought of in years. It feels nice.

Thank you for your reminder of what's important in life. I thank God everyday for my role in life and on this earth...being a Godly wife and mommy. Although I was almost in my mid 30s before I "began life", I'm thankful for going through the turbulent 20s to realize what was important. (though regretful for the silver crowns I bestowed upon my parents).

To you and others that won't be present at the reunion: You will be thought of... talked about... and fondly missed. Best wishes for the future.

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[> Subject: Re: Up's and downs of life - actually, LAB


Author:
Bruce Wilson
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Date Posted: 19:34:22 03/31/03 Mon

LAB = Life after Band

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Randy Duncan
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Date Posted: 06:23:57 01/07/04 Wed

the WILSON brothers had musical talent???

I remember a lottttttttttttt of woodblock playin.... heh heh. RD

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[> Subject: Re: Up's and downs of life - actually, LAB


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Juli Perry Briggs
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Date Posted: 14:00:29 04/03/03 Thu

Bruce, please just know that your family has come to my thoughts many times over the last several decades, and you are all remembered fondly for being great individuals, and as a collective bunch! Your folks and Lisa Black's parents were my chaperones for Pasadena, among other things!

None of us would want to have endured the pain of the loss of Brian as you did, and I'll never forget him.

I personally do not mind admitting, in one aspect of my present life, of functioning out in front of the whole world professionally as though things have been GREAT when on the private level they're a mess. My husband and I have truly not been able to accomplish much in the way of bringing about adjustment and acceptance on the part of the two Russian orphans who became our daughters at ages 8 and 9 in 1997. They were badly wounded by their past lives, and many people who are familiar with the international adoption scene are beginning to think that Romania and Russia has really "dumped" a lot of what their experts believed were the kids who just were not going to make it on unsuspecting North American families. It is not a pretty site, and God, how I wish I could more gracious towards these kids and not let them know how exhausted I am with their attitudes and denial about what they need to work through, but it's a vicious cycle. The younger one still GLORIFIES the two and half years she spent institutionalized (in an orphanage that would have been nowhere near as "nice" as it was, had many Americans not been donating resources like there was no tomorrow, but she shouldn't be expected to see that).

The girls ran away from home last Saturday night. Ran to a family that is so culturally out of it that they never even suspected that the girls were covering up that they were foreign adoptees with massive psychiatric and learning disability interventions in place, and that family did not have the decency to let us know that our children had shown up on their front doorstep at 1am. When we showed up in our massive search to locate our daughters, this other family made us stand on their doorstep for 9 minutes, only shouting through the window, "we'll wake them up, yes they are here."

The "system" in the county in which we reside is very liberal, and while we managed by the grace of God to get a wonderful 26-yr veteran of the police force to show up and ream the kids for over 45 minutes, no one is going to do anything to really scare the kids or enable that other family to see what they did was inappropriate. Well, I digress. It's just all up to us, and I don't know what more we might be able to do to help these delicate youngsters. It's embarrassing to admit that my home is a war zone, but what's the point of making it look like something it isn't? I thank God that I own a service business, in the South were folks are so "real" versus those I encountered in DC for years, and where I am working with people's pets, because that just sets human beings up to be in a genuine frame of mind, and be supportive of each other, and "relate." Many of my clients follow our home situation closely, as I do theirs, and I get steered to community resources right and left because they're aware of other families who have had difficulties and they want to help.

But, as I said, Bruce, we MHS band people really were involved with others as human beings for a long, intense number of years, and I do not think we will ever regret having known and loved each other, and I think that the barriers about who we were then and who we are now will ALWAYS be lower than the kinds of fronts that other adults who used to know each other as adolescents will be. I think we are all lucky to have been in the stew pot together and the glue that holds us together will always be strong. You will be missed, but I will be thinking about your sister-in-law as she begins this new, beautiful phase in her life.

Thanks for letting us relate to you for who you are and how you feel. Just imagine what it would be like for each of us if we had not had the experience of being Ram Banders -- I really believe we each would have had a greater likelihood of living in isolation and not having the skills to relate to society. The intense time we spent together just brought about a metamorphasis on nearly every one of us, and we're greater for it.

Juli

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[> Subject: Re: Up's and downs of life - actually, LAB


Author:
Angela Sexton Varoff
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Date Posted: 19:14:51 04/28/03 Mon

Hello all- I regret that I was unable to attend the band reunion as I live in Phoenix, Arizona. (Andy Pierce, if you're reading this - I apologise that I didn't call back about the reunion) You all look so well, and it was nice to see your smiling faces. I was surprized to find this website. Life is full of many surpizes, I know this well. Some wonderful and some not so nice - but all in all, it is this path that has led me to where I am today. I wouldn't change it for the world.
I was lucky to have found very enduring friendships while I was in Band. Carolyn McKinney and I are still great friends, though she now lives in Wisconsin.
My life has been a real rollercoaster ride, to be sure, but I don't dwell on bad decisions and am proud of my accomplishments. Band taught me much, and I really didn't realize how much for a while. My husband Jeff and I share a love of music and are currently recording a cd of original songs and perform in the Phoenix area. (I'm a vocalist -I gave my clarinet to my daughter, who is much more adept at it than I ever was) We have 4 kids between us and work "real jobs" as well - so our lives are very interesting and full.
Good luck to you all in the future - we were all lucky to have been able to share the Ram Band experience.
Take care - Angela

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Carolyn Mckinney Woodward
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Date Posted: 18:49:06 10/23/03 Thu

Well hot damn!!!! It is great to see that the ram band is still keeping in touch. Thank you Angela (one of my very bestest friends) for letting me know about the web site and reunions. Wish I could have been there, but so it goes. I am happily living in Oklahoma now, still playing flute and teaching a bit here and there. Life is good, even when it appears not to be. Was married for 20 years, raised 2 boys and now have a granddaughter...ach!! Could I be old enough for this??? Well, will try for the next reunion. The pictures of the latter gathering were great!!
Best wishes to all!!
Carolyn
or as Mr. Kuentz called me...skinny mckinney..where did he come up with that??? :>

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[> Subject: Re: Up's and downs of life - actually, LAB


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Lisa Black
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Date Posted: 03:44:37 04/30/03 Wed

Hi Bruce (Baby Bro')
I just found this web site so I am just now getting a chance to read your message. I got a message from your brother Scotty a couple of weeks ago, and it really made my day. It set me to thinking about all three of you "Wilson Boys" and the good times we once had.
I am very glad to hear that you have settled into a happy life and feel blessed. I too feel blessed by God's generosity. I have been happily married for 18 years. I have a daughter who is now six. When she was four, she was diagnosed with a rare and life threatening genetic condition. Without the strength I got from my friends past and present, my teachers, my family and most of all my faith in God, I don't know how we would have gotten through it. Now, thank God and medical science, there is a treatment that can allow her to live a normal life. That in a nutshell is the greatest UP after the greatest DOWN I ever hope to experience.
I also have a career that I enjoy (teaching law school,) a pleasant home in a city I love (San Diego,) and a kind and funny husband, so I believe I have found happiness. I wish you peace. Lisa Black

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[> Subject: Re: Up's and downs of life - actually, LAB


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Carl Speicher
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Date Posted: 23:41:31 12/28/03 Sun

Bruce, so happy to hear that your life is going well. Could I say a few things about a person I think about every day of my life, your brother Bryan? Bryan was the kind of friend and the kind of person you meet only once in a lifetime. He was just a friend of Greg's until he jumped into a bar-fight I was in up in Austin, when all my other friends ran away. He very well might have saved my life. His trumpet playing, his sense of humor, his intelligence, his love of cars and his passion for life. You are right about the flip-side of life back then. Bryan and I were living on the edge every chance we got and my memories of those days are just to be happy to be alive. I was out-of-state when things got rough in Bryan's life, and there is guilt that I was not there to join his fight like he did mine. Could I ask you for a favor? There is a room in your parents' house with many pictures of Bryan on one wall. There is photo of him in the surf at Padre Island, grinning, with a beer in his hand. Could you ask them to send me a copy? 3567 Ethan Allen Ave, San Diego, CA 92117.

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[> Subject: Re: Up's and downs of life - actually, LAB


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Carl Speicher
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Date Posted: 04:32:55 12/30/03 Tue

You know Bruce, you may never read this, but after much thought about your brother over the last 24-hours I have it. Bryan saved my miserable-ass when I least deserved it, but most needed it. Things are fine now in my life, but I was reminded in a movie I saw called "A River Runs Through It" when the doomed Pitt character said during a controversy, "Maybe he just likes the fact that you are trying to help him". I was sinking and your brother pulled up the rope and let me continue. I am eternally greatful.

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