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Date Posted: Tuesday, January 07, 03:20:39pm
Author: GA
Author Host/IP: ool-18b90125.dyn.optonline.net / 24.185.1.37
Subject: Because the Ref was totally incompetent?
In reply to: Al 's message, "Delaps body charge on Lukic" on Tuesday, January 07, 02:06:53pm

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Probably the biggest let off was for Wilson pointing and shouting in the ref's face. (NT) -- HE, Tuesday, January 07, 03:25:56pm (lewi-28-b2-v4wan-166893-cust665.vm4.cable.virginm.net/86.16.2.154)

True but as the ex Everton guy said on ref watch, Wilson had suffered at the hands of the incompetent ref all game. (NT) -- Al, Tuesday, January 07, 04:16:19pm (NoHost/193.17.86.250)

Had he been sent off for that, it would have been up there with Leon Andreason's red card from Howard Webb following West Ham's illegitimate winner in 07/08. Someone has to tell the refs when they get it so ridiculously wrong, and it isn't going to be PGMOL or their assessors (NT) -- The Doctor, Tuesday, January 07, 04:23:00pm (host31-126-217-29.range31-126.btcentralplus.com/31.126.217.29)

Not Wilson job to comment. How would we feel if Bond had gone to Andreas and told him he was fucking shite for not doing his job? I suggest Wilsons reputation for diving had an influence on the refs initial penalty decision (NT) -- Ra's al Ghul, Tuesday, January 07, 05:43:38pm (NoHost/212.132.246.99)
- I agree, in that, even if you think he missed it and made a mistake (guess what, humans make errors, VAR did its job) then that doesn’t give a right to react like that and people wonder why people don’t want to become ref’s or they make mistakes given how they get berated. Silva doesn’t help with how he reacts and loses his head, feeds into the players, which can then lead to us getting so focused on the ref we aren’t concentrating on how we can win the game. (NT) -- Henry1879, Tuesday, January 07, 05:54:56pm (croy-26-b2-v4wan-167127-cust1611.vm24.cable.virginm.net/82.38.22.76)
  - In addition to the above, Wilson probably should have been sent off, almost definitely costing us any chance of winning the game. (NT) -- Ra's al Ghul, Tuesday, January 07, 06:37:51pm (NoHost/212.132.246.99)
    - This line of thinking is just silly. We have a passion and togetherness that I've never seen in the 30 years I've supported the club. You can see it in the way that our players both support each other and are comfortable grabbing and pushing each other away when needed, as well as how they fight to the death. These things trickle down from the top and they are a good thing. It's a sport. Passions should run high. Save the cold fish, box ticking managers, for pencil pushing. (NT) -- eganonoa, Tuesday, January 07, 06:47:36pm (pool-108-18-149-21.washdc.fios.verizon.net/108.18.149.21)
      - It’s silly to expect our players/coach to show respect to the ref and understand humans make errors, do our players screaming how crap they are to each other when they miss a chance? It all feeds down throughout the game into grassroots and Wilson screaming you’re a **** cheat in the refs face isn’t passion, it’s losing his head. The best keep cool, react to adversity by getting up and finding a way to overcome it, not go mad causing loss of concentration leading to Ipswich 2nd goal. (NT) -- Henry1879, Tuesday, January 07, 07:14:05pm (82-132-221-84.dab.02.net/82.132.221.84)
        Not saying sanitise the game, but there is a line and Wilson crossed it, the problem is the ref didn’t punish it, so players will continue to do it, what happened to just the captain approaching the ref? Passion and emotion is great in situations, but having a cool head and stepping back is also vital, we lost ours v ITFC, if we’d been cooler, scored the pen, I have no doubt we’d have gone on to win if we’d taken a breath and rest rather than cause the chaos after our first pen. (NT) -- Henry1879, Tuesday, January 07, 07:18:20pm (82-132-221-84.dab.02.net/82.132.221.84)
      - Above all it's great if Marco has fostered that, but I'm another unconvinced it needs to be accompanied by the quantity and style of hissy fits referred to above, which viewed without b+w specs on, don't do him or the cause any favours. Hopefully a teeny bit of a turn-off to succession planners at bigger clubs. (So much else to commend of course.) (NT) -- b+w g., Tuesday, January 07, 07:32:45pm (68.52.159.143.dyn.plus.net/143.159.52.68)
        Doubt its a turn off at all. Have a look at the ranking of managers with the most cards last season (inside). It's like a who's who of most desirable managers (save Guardiola). Think of the top managers of the past 30 years (Ferguson, Mourinho, etc.), so many were big passion, anti-ref types. Think of a manager less as a behind-desk general, and more as leader who needs to spur his troops to action and you can see the sense in it. If there's some rough with the smooth in there, so be it -- eganonoa, Tuesday, January 07, 08:22:14pm (pool-108-18-149-21.washdc.fios.verizon.net/108.18.149.21)
      - Wilson reaction has got nothing to do with team passion and togetherness. Indeed it was the opposite. Had he been sent off, he would of put his colleagues in the shutter. Hardly thinking about togetherness was he? (NT) -- Ra's al Ghul, Tuesday, January 07, 07:51:59pm (NoHost/212.132.246.99)
        Responding more to the "in addition to the above" in your post, i.e. the ridiculous call for our manager to stifle his passionate leadership style in the name of decorum. If that occasionally leads to some unruly behaviour like Wilson's, so be it. We need that passion and intensity. It's a sport, not a normal job. (NT) -- eganonoa, Tuesday, January 07, 08:25:07pm (pool-108-18-149-21.washdc.fios.verizon.net/108.18.149.21)
        I’ll ask again, why don’t other sports men behave this way? Ever seen cricket players scream at umpire, you’re a f*** cheat in their face? Do they not have passion? You say the words of someone who frankly has no clue how this ‘passion’ (abuse) feeds down to grass routes and now means many refs wear body cams as abuse often gets physical, hey ho though, they’re footballers; it’s sport, normal rules don’t apply. (NT) -- Henry1879, Tuesday, January 07, 09:40:50pm (croy-26-b2-v4wan-167127-cust1611.vm24.cable.virginm.net/82.38.22.76)

Or the kick in Muniz's face just before missing the penalty. (NT) -- Pablo, Tuesday, January 07, 05:00:41pm (host86-167-153-83.range86-167.btcentralplus.com/86.167.153.83)

O'Shea was booked for this, what's your point? (NT) -- Ra's al Ghul, Tuesday, January 07, 05:26:28pm (NoHost/212.132.246.99)

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