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Date Posted: 14:22:40 05/24/03 Sat
Author: IDAHO
Subject: Your analogies don't make sense becasue they are NOT closer to reality
In reply to: Crysknife 's message, "Lighten up? Not when it comes to Dune." on 09:25:25 05/24/03 Sat

Okay, Wolverine is NOT closer to reality than Superman, and Dune is NOT closer to reality than Star Wars or Star Trek.

Having a person with single generation mutation that gives him incredible powers and then having metal bonded to his bones is not anywhere near more realistic than an alien who crash lands on earth and has supernatural abilities because of his absorbtion of solar energy. I don't know how you could think that Wolverine is more realistic. That stuff is NOT even remotely scientifically feasible.
The Marvel Universe is supposed to take place in a more realistic setting and uses our own cities like New York etc. as opposed to a Metropolis or Gotham city. But hell, Batman is more realistic than Wolverine because he doesn't have any powers due to a completely unscientific mutation. The point is NO, Wolverine isn't more scientifically feasible or realistic as a character than Superman or any other comic hero. And his realism has nothing to do with why he is cool.

And likewise, Dune isn't any more scientifically feasible than Star Wars. If you said the story of Dune was more complex, more compelling, the characters were less two dimensional and more human, the cultures more thought out, I would agree with you.
However, to say that the science of Dune is any more realistic? That's simply absurd. I am sorry. A Lasgun and personal body shield are no more or less realistic than a blaster and a lightsaber.
And to return to the example of mutated people hyped up on drugs travelling through space is NOT any more feasible than travelling faster than speed of light without feeling relativistic effects.
Star Wars is NOT a probably future. But neither is Dune. But Star Wars of course admits that it is space fantasy and not science Fiction.
So let's talk about the Butlerian Jihad. Okay, if you didn't have super-light speeds without relativistic effects, humanity probably would never have any place colonized other than our own solar system. And if there was another solar system colonized it would take many many years travelling at light speeds to get to those star systems and by that time many more earth years would have passed due to realtivistic effects of time. Communications with those places would be phenomonally hard as well. So considering that classic Dune is supposed to be 10000 yrs in the future, and even has the history of the Butlerian Jihad within it, I don't even think they would have found Arrakis without some sort of interstellar space travel that was much faster than our most advanced rockets are now by the time the novel is supposed to take place. In addition Arrakis wasn't the first world found, all these other worlds were supposed to have been colonized first. So in that sense, there wouldn't be any classic Dune if they didn't have space travel that is exemplified in the Butlerian Jihad.
Classic Dune could not exist in without some easier form of space travel than you are suggesting.

This whole argument about realism is a complete crock. The original Dune novel is just absurd as the prequels it has spawned scientifically speaking.

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OH GOD STOP!!!!! Are you even listening to yourself??? -- theButterfly, 17:59:21 05/24/03 Sat
- How about this as an explanation..and GOD listen to YOURSELF -- IDAHO, 20:33:29 05/24/03 Sat
  - Ah, thank you. -- theButterfly, 19:57:52 05/25/03 Sun
    - Thanks for the thoughtful reply, but I think I made my points already so I don't need to rehash. Peace (NT) -- IDAHO, 22:22:24 05/25/03 Sun
    - What the worms eat -- AntiPaul, 06:46:28 05/26/03 Mon
      - But how does the worm metabolize that? (NT) -- IDAHO, 14:17:12 05/26/03 Mon
        Silica (Any chemistry majors out there?) -- AnitPaul, 15:54:37 05/26/03 Mon
        Frank Herbert on Ecology...How about the later novels? -- IDAHO, 17:21:32 05/26/03 Mon
        Not knocking Pre's -- AnitPaul, 17:59:19 05/26/03 Mon
        Too each his own, that's perfectly valid. (NT) -- IDAHO, 18:27:34 05/26/03 Mon
        Idaho -- Crysknife, 18:17:42 05/26/03 Mon
        I was joking about The Star Wars Star Trek travel -- IDAHO, 18:36:26 05/26/03 Mon