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Date Posted: Thu, Sep 20, 04:02:32am CST
Author: perry
Author Host/IP: cache-dtc-aa09.proxy.aol.com / 205.188.116.13
Subject: Re: Merelikins, Swerles, and Pie Balds ????
In reply to: Rex B 's message, "Re: Merelikins, Swerles, and Pie Balds ????" on Tue, Sep 18, 06:59:43pm CST

>>>>>>> What in the world are those? Just three of many
>>>>>color
>>>>>>>patterns that can appear in breeds with merle and
>>>>>>>brindle genes. Some breeds do not allow mating
>dog
>>>>>>>with merle to a female with brindle, or solid
>>>blacks
>>>>>>>and blues to tan trims ,or fawns to any of
>>>>>>>above.Reason being,each mating compounds the
>>>>factors.
>>>>>>>genetic modifiers can have either positive or
>>>>>>>negitive, and to various degrees. I'm sure many
>>>have
>>>>>>>seen a white deer with spots, Pie bald, or
>>mulatto?
>>>>A
>>>>>>>"Merlikin", or properly, a Merlequin, has genes
>>>from
>>>>>>>both merle and Harliquin. "Swerles" are merle and
>>>>>>>brindle with modified color gene, often called a
>>>>>>>"Camo". Very few of these are seen in our present
>>>>day
>>>>>>>Leopards but I asure you they can evenyually get
>>>>>>>there. I've old photos of Plott Curs manys years
>>>>>back,
>>>>>>>showing them.Seen it in Julys. Great Danes had
>>them
>>>>>>>real bad and then prohibited crossing different
>>>>>>>patterns. The July breeders bred for ability only
>>>>and
>>>>>>>this crazy patterns persisted. Catahoulas have
>>>>>>>this..Five genetic modifiers that produce white,
>>>>>other
>>>>>>>than outside influence. Me thinks we know very,
>>>>very
>>>>>>>little about the color "Leopard" ! There are some
>>>>>>>informing articles on this subject, I've studied
>>>>>them,
>>>>>>>only to conclude it was way over my head,,,.Color
>>>is
>>>>>>>only ONE of fourteen traits in a treedog. Rex
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I've read a few of the more common books on
>>>genetics,
>>>>>>none of which I have commited to memory for
>>>certain.
>>>>>>I got one from Jed Prendergast last year and it
>was
>>>>>>the most easy and informative of all that I have
>>>>>>looked at. It's title is GENETICS by Jackie
>>>>Isabell.
>>>>>>In short it states that the locus M allele is,
>"The
>>>>>>most complex of all pairs (Mm)...The m allele is
>an
>>>>>>excellent example of pleiotropy--the phenomenon of
>>a
>>>>>>single allele causing a number of distinct and
>>>>>>seemingly unrelated phenotiypic effects. Even
>when
>>>>>>heterozygous, the M allele is associated qith some
>>>>>>deafness ans well as occasional wall eyes...When
>>>>>>homozygous the dogs usually have samll eyes with
>>>blue
>>>>>>or partly blue irises, and they often have
>impaired
>>>>>>hearing and fertility." Merle coloring is very
>>hard
>>>>>>on my head. I wish I had a buddy who knew more
>>>about
>>>>>>it. I think I'm going to have to call the
>>>>university.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Rex I really enjoy your post I learn from them and
>>>>>they make me think some to.You know me thinking is
>>>bad
>>>>>lol.
>>>>
>>>>Here is a lengthy article on Canine Color Genetics
>>>>
>>>>Ramie
>>>>
>>>> >>>>href="http://bowlingsite.mcf.com/Genetics/ColorGen.h
>t
>>m
>>>l
>>>>">http://bowlingsite.mcf.com/Genetics/ColorGen.html<
>/
>>a
>>>>
>>>
>>>Good article, all in one spot. Hard to absorb in one
>>>sitting...kind of like Thanksgiving:). Takes about a
>>>week to eat everything you've cooked.
>>
>>
>>It is I have to read it about 10 times LOL....
>>
>>Here is another....
>>
>>Ringstreaked, Speckled, and Spotted
>>
>> >>href="http://www.gi.alaska.edu/ScienceForum/ASF8/846.h
>t
>>ml">http://www.gi.alaska.edu/ScienceForum/ASF8/846.htm
>l
>>
>>
>>Ramie
> GREAT !!! now, we are thinking. In the beginning;Gen.
>1:24 Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth the
>living creature according to its kind:......25....and
>God saw that it WAS good." I beleive that. I also
>beleive there are some things we will never copletley
>figure out; Isaiah 55:8 "For My thoughts are not your
>thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways" says the Lord.
>"For as the heavens are higherthan the earth, So are
>My ways higher than your ways, and My thoughts than
>yours".
> Thru the years scientist learn that what they once
>thought , was wrong, and come up with new ideas, only
>to later learn, again, wrong. It seemed correct at
>that time.We just need to put all this in perspective,
>and keep learning!
> James1:19 "So then, my beloved brethren,let every man
>be SWIFT to hear, SLOW to speak[type!],and SLOW to
>wrath." Rex


This is a question for some of you fellas studying the genetic color phases. Is it possible for a black female to throw a double merle??

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