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Subject: Make college bb respect Ivy’s


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Ivy Inquisitor (Ivy madness continues)
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Date Posted: 19:04:40 03/22/24 Fri

Ivy Madness continues as Yale eliminates SEC’s Auburn. What The Tiger and Bulldogs have accomplished the last two seasons is reminiscent of Harvard of the mid 2010’s

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[> Subject: Re: Make college bb respect Ivy’s


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Memphis Bill
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Date Posted: 19:08:41 03/22/24 Fri

Bulldog, Bulldog!!!

Let’s see how they do on Sunday, but this win is one for the ages!

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[> Subject: Three cheers for the Ivy League tournament!!


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 19:13:20 03/22/24 Fri


When hoo!!

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[> [> Subject: Re: Three cheers for the Ivy League tournament!!


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Bella
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Date Posted: 21:08:00 03/22/24 Fri

You’re joking, right? We needed one of the most epic 27-second collapses in the history of Ivy League basketball to avoid having Brown headed to the #16 seed play-in game. Would you have bought tickets to Dayton?

Yale beating Auburn is NOT an argument in favor of the Ivy League tournament. It’s an argument for the Ivy League always sending Princeton or Yale.

Every year, we should play a fourteen-game double round robin to declare a regular season champion, then have Princeton play Yale to choose a rep for the NCAA tournament.

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[> [> [> Subject: What is this “play in game” you speak of?


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 06:54:12 03/23/24 Sat


It sounds familiar…. I have a dim recollection of it happening a while ago….

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[> Subject: Yale 78 Auburn 76


Author:
Ivy wanna be
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Date Posted: 19:18:10 03/22/24 Fri

Auburn never knew what hit’em . Auburn tried to intimidate Yale . But Yale countered took them on. Great for Yale , Great for the Ivy League. Go Bulldogs.

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[> Subject: Re: Make college bb respect Ivy’s


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M3
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Date Posted: 19:20:09 03/22/24 Fri

Congratulations Yale👍

Good luck Sunday

IL is 2 bid league

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[> [> Subject: Re: Make college bb respect Ivy’s


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Ghost
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Date Posted: 19:27:21 03/22/24 Fri

Who gets the 2nd bid, Princeton, who just lost at home to a middle of the pack Mountain West Conference team? Start winning your guarantee games on the road, EVERYONE, and you'll get the 2nd bid. remember, only 4 at large bids went to non-FBS schools. And, I'll ask again- do we agree that James Jones belongs on the Mt Rushmore of Ivy BB Coaches, with Carril, Daly and Dunphy?

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Make college bb respect Ivy’s


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sparman
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Date Posted: 19:50:09 03/22/24 Fri

Regarding your Princeton loss obsession, one game doesn't prove anything as to whether you belong.

As stated previously, I think some other teams were more deserving of bids based on overall season records, but your specific mode of "analysis" leaves a lot to be desired.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Make college bb respect Ivy’s


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Ghost
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Date Posted: 20:01:59 03/22/24 Fri

The best 68 teams in early March get selected. Clearly Princeton was not one of them, based on their overall body of work. Beating up on the bottom half of the Ivy League, then losing in the league semis said it, a loss to a mid pack MWC team verified it.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Make college bb respect Ivy’s


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joiseyfan
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Date Posted: 20:40:59 03/22/24 Fri

Of course, that’s not true. You might attempt to argue that the best 36 at-large teams get invited (although that gets us back to the NET discussion), but that has nothing to do with the 32 AQs. Which I think we all agree is a great thing allowing the Oaklands of the world to drive the Kentuckys crazy.

You might also go easy on the hyperbole regarding the league schedule, which saw the Tigers beat every other team at least once, including both Yale and Cornell the last time they played.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Make college bb respect Ivy’s


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joiseyfan
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Date Posted: 01:03:50 03/23/24 Sat

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/39788848/no-13-yale-pulls-ncaa-tournament-stunner-takes-no-4-auburn

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Make college bb respect Ivy’s


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M3
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Date Posted: 08:38:14 03/23/24 Sat

Coach Jones comments
Class Act

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Make college bb respect Ivy’s


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Ivy Rules
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Date Posted: 20:43:04 03/22/24 Fri

Might I suggest, respectfully, that you make like a "Ghost" and disappear from this forum? Perhaps you should troll on the SEC forum and point out why they should not been an 8 bid league.

Way to go Yale! Ivy has now won 75% of its tournament games over the past two years. Perhaps our Ghostly visitor can research and let us know how many conferences have done better.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Make college bb respect Ivy’s


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Ghost
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Date Posted: 23:04:12 03/22/24 Fri

If you think I'm an Ivy hater, why doesn't anyone agree with me that James Jones is one of the league's all time greatest coaches? This is an Ivy forum, and we're talking Ivy sports. 4 at large bids to non-FBS schools but you think Princeton deserved one, despite not even making the league final.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Make college bb respect Ivy’s


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Ivy Rules
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Date Posted: 16:34:08 03/23/24 Sat

Time's up, Mr. Ghost, so I did some quick research myself. The Ivy's 75% winning percentage in '23 and '24 falls just below the Big East (78%). No other conference is even close to those 2, with almost all of the others (all but the ACC) falling at or below 50%. I realize that the sample size makes this a bit 'apples to oranges', at least with respect to the IL, but it certainly demonstrates that the two (non-BCS football) conferences with the best records to this point have both been grossly disrespected by the NCAA selection committee and their performance has validated that reality.

As to your continuing diss of PU since they did not make the finals of the ILT, fair point, but take a look at the top 4 seeds in the tournament and note how many failed to make or win the finals of their conference tournaments. It's a big number. Last year, Yale didn't win the ILT, but as Coach Jones, whom you correctly note is a tremendous and egregiously under appreciated coach, stated in interviews today, the Eli last year could absolutely have won a couple of games. That they had no shot to prove that last year was a shame.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Make college bb respect Ivy’s


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Ghost
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Date Posted: 09:43:44 03/25/24 Mon

Pure Ivy-flavored speculation on the 'coulda, shoulda' thought, but now we have 3 Big East teams (both at-large selections) in the Sweet Sixteen plus Seton Hall in Round 2 of the NIT (Nova and Prov out)- the Ivies will end up 1-3 in post season. Still, major props to Yale for beating Auburn, they got exposed last night. So, the case for Princeton as an at large gets weaker.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Make college bb respect Ivy’s


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Ghost
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Date Posted: 18:20:20 03/23/24 Sat

Princeton had a terrific season, can't take that away, just not NCAA-worthy. Indiana State, with similar in-season credentials, making their statement so far. Excellent statistical analysis with a tiny sample of one team, your best, each year in the research. And thank you for being the ONLY person on this board to agree that James Jones is one of the Ivy League's All Time best basketball coaches. NO OTHER VOTES FOR THIS?

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[> Subject: Re: Make college bb respect Ivy’s


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RedWin
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Date Posted: 20:43:35 03/22/24 Fri

Wow great win by Yale over Auburn! Wonderful for the Ivy League.

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[> Subject: Kick Them Where It Hurts


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Greg
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Date Posted: 04:46:34 03/23/24 Sat

We have no idea how NIL money and the transfer portal will reshape the landscape of college sports. But certainly one possible outcome is that the Ivies either are forced or proactively choose to recede from Division I competition in men’s basketball because we deem it to be a cesspool of which we want no part.

If that is the end game, 2023 and 2024 may be the all-time high water mark for Ivy achievement in the modern, post-Bradley, post-‘79 Penn Final Four era: two different Ivy representatives, Princeton to the Sweet Sixteen plus Yale beating the SEC tournament champion to advance to a winnable game against a 5 seed.

If we have to quit competing at the highest level of men’s basketball, I’m glad that, as we go out, we kick them in the nuts.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Kick Them Where It Hurts


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Bob S
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Date Posted: 10:19:25 03/23/24 Sat

Norovirus went through the Princeton team. It started with Ivy Madness and some were still in recovery mode against UNLV.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Kick Them Where It Hurts


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Ghost
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Date Posted: 18:11:29 03/23/24 Sat

Well, that would make a difference, thanks for this scoop, unseen in ANY other publication. Is it fair to ask your source?

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[> [> [> Subject: Norovirus


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Terrace72
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Date Posted: 23:07:40 03/23/24 Sat

If multiple players contracted it roughly simultaneously, would suggest a single source outbreak, so they probably know where they contracted it.

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[> Subject: Re: Make college bb respect Ivy’s


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P-Fan
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Date Posted: 07:14:22 03/23/24 Sat

I think the game the Tigers played against UNLV illustrated why they did not deserve an at large bid. Lack of a true big man, constantly falling behind in games, and inconsistent play by Peters all season. I also think Pierce got beat up during the season as the Tiger's best rebounder. Brown fell apart against the Tigers in Princeton and really should have won that game. Cornell destroyed the Tigers in Ithaca. I just think Yale was the best team all year. Also, Cornell played a far better game at Ohio State compared to how Princeton played on their home court. Maybe in the end, given all the losses from last year's team, you might argue that the Tigers overachieved this year.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Make college bb respect Ivy’s


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joiseyfan
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Date Posted: 10:54:09 03/23/24 Sat

See norovirus above. A friend near the team told me Henderson was trying to keep this a deep dark secret for obvious reasons, but clearly failed….

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Make college bb respect Ivy’s


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Ghost
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Date Posted: 18:26:42 03/23/24 Sat

No verification yet.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Make college bb respect Ivy’s


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Bella
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Date Posted: 01:38:50 03/24/24 Sun

Your skepticism seems unusually severe. I don’t think that Henderson is asking that the ILT be replayed once his roster is healthy again.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Make college bb respect Ivy’s


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Ghost
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Date Posted: 12:33:09 03/24/24 Sun

Just asking if any of this has made it to the media yet, any links available? Nothing pre-game about it.........

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: It even happens to the best of them: quality teams sometimes lose in March.


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Valmas (Stoic)
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Date Posted: 16:47:11 03/24/24 Sun

That's why once having won four straight in March, at Madison Square Garden, may still be worth noting; even forty-nine years later. In 1975, Pete Carril started four guards and a post player in taking the then quite prestigious National Invitational Tournament. A special treat for me was that three of those Princeton guards were products of New York City's Catholic High Schools League - Molloy, Steuerer and the great Armond Hill.https://youtu.be/pVpQSFB33ro?si=PV_Il0YNnXynClRq

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[> Subject: Re: Make college bb respect Ivy’s


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local Tiger
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Date Posted: 19:00:26 03/24/24 Sun

That was a great Princeton basketball achievement,
and Pete Molloy was an important part. However,
he did not play in NYC (St. Agnes on Long Island),
and he did not start.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Make college bb respect Ivy’s


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joiseyfan
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Date Posted: 20:28:13 03/24/24 Sun

He’s also the protagonist in the legendary Tiger win at Virginia after Carril was tossed.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Make college bb respect Ivy’s


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Tiger81
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Date Posted: 22:45:00 03/24/24 Sun

Not to quibble, but I believe Armond Hill played HS hoops in Brooklyn prior to his PG year at Lawrenceville

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Make college bb respect Ivy’s


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Ghost
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Date Posted: 08:58:00 03/25/24 Mon

Bishop Ford HS.

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[> Subject: A Great Game-Day Experience


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 23:41:52 03/25/24 Mon

I had the opportunity to watch the Auburn game with two Auburn alumni in a room full of raucous unaffiliated fans. It was all good-natured ribbing with no tension at all.

At the beginning of the game, I told one of them, a good ol' Southern boy if ever there was one, that I thought Yale +12.5 was a great play. He replied, "I bet $500 on Auburn to cover." I reminded him to bet with his head and not with his heart.

As the game was winding down to the final minutes with Yale ahead, we had established enough rapport that I could say to him with no expectation of being punched, "I have bad news for you. If this thing stays close down to the end, the Yale players will not be tight. The moment won't be too big for them."

He looked at me with the kind of expression which says, "My alma mater which just won the SEC tournament is about to lose to a bunch of Ivy Leaguers *AND* it's going to cost me $500?"

During the game, the two Auburn fans couldn't stop complaining about how tight the referees were calling the game. The typical gripe would be, "In the SEC, that's not a foul. In the SEC, that's considered just physical play, not a foul. In the SEC, if there's no blood, there's no foul."

This went on all game long. As their complaining came out of the halftime locker room and continued into the second half, we had become friendly enough to the point where I quipped, "Let me ask you something. It's the third quarter. Do you think it's the referee's responsibility to adapt to the conference of the players? Or is it a better idea for the players to adapt to how the refs are calling the game?" No punches thrown.

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