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Subject: Are you sure about that ? Author: sparman [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 23:14:46 03/20/24 Wed In reply to: Richard 's message, "NIL COLLECTIVES" on 22:56:19 03/20/24 Wed https://goprincetontigers.com/news/2023/5/24/general-princeton-athletics-partners-with-opendorse-to-launch-official-nil-marketplace-app [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> Subject: Re: Are you sure about that ? Author: Richard (Kent) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 23:23:52 03/20/24 Wed Yes, I am sure. That is noting but listings on a bulletin board. It is funny. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Are you sure about that ? Author: Ghost [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:47:27 03/21/24 Thu Thank you for posting and bringing this news to the old school Ivy thinkers. Totally agree that top players will have to choose between earning $$ now and later or earning $$ later. No way do I see the Presidents/ADs buying into this concept. The quality of play in football is already suffering, the basketball programs still have national tv/post season opportunities but will start to suffer, if not already. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Are you sure about that ? Author: Richard (Kent) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:57:08 03/21/24 Thu Let's put some meat on the bones and offer a provacative query. Nova and Georgetown, 2 good academic schools each have 3.5 million in their basketball only collective. They will pay $500000 plus to get a starter of value. Yes,even the Drexel big.3 Ivy kids have a value larger than that. 2 have a valie of $300000. So here is the question? Do you go to Georgetown or Northwestern and eschew your Penn or Cornell degree for those dollars and a great education. Most would say yes. Do you move over to Pitino and the Vitamin water guy. Nope. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Are you sure about that ? Author: Ivy Patriot [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:29:28 03/21/24 Thu There is absolutely nothing wrong with a Georgetown or Northwestern degree. Take the money, have the big-time basketball experience and then do your graduate work in the Ivy League. It's a win-win. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Are you sure about that ? Author: Ghost [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:02:22 03/21/24 Thu Or Rice, Tulane, Vanderbilt........... [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Are you sure about that ? Author: sparman [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:37:08 03/21/24 Thu If you want to keep up with the D1 trend - which will probably only get more tilted toward treating players like paid contractors (or employees) - then sure. I question whether the ivy presidents want to jump into that model, versus de-emphasizing and going D3. (I know that D-3 can offer NIL collectives, but AFAIK there only a couple actually doing it). Some may disagree about what should be done, I am merely commenting on what I think they would be inclined to do, given the fraught history over athletic scholarships and use of admission slots. Just as degrees from NW or others can be valuable, so can degrees from academic D-3 schools. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Are you sure about that ? Author: Richard (Kent) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:08:30 03/21/24 Thu No way on the planet that athletic donors, who are a LARGE segment of donors would permit that move to D3. Lacrosse alimni,by way of example would revolt. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Are you sure about that ? Author: Ghost [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:51:07 03/21/24 Thu Agree 100%. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Are you sure about that ? Author: Richard (Kent) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:09:53 03/21/24 Thu Let's add a hypothetical. Let's say that Mitch gets Stanford. Possible, as is Vandy.Not Michigan. I think that at least Lee follows. Stanford and a pay day. Wow. And Brian moves from Cornell to Princeton and MacConnell gets Cornell. I would handicap this scenario at 25%.Mack was supposed to enter the portal yesterday. Didn't happen. Is Harvard going above and beyond? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Are you sure about that ? Author: sparman [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:50:47 03/21/24 Thu Not disagreeing that what you posit might happen. If I were Lee, I don't think I would turn down that scenario. Earl might also be a non-ivy target. And why not Valmas' favorite, Jones? HPY traditionally are in a different financial boat than Brown, Cornell, and others, as we hear reagrding financial aid. Will their donors step up and fund a collective? Will lacrosse alums support a basketball collective? We will see. Lots of moving parts. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: FWIW Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:31:25 03/26/24 Tue Looks like Dartmouth just got a nice donation that will be used for more FA (although still not at HYP levels). https://www.thedartmouth.com/article/2024/03/pennies-from-heaven-dartmouth-announces-largest-scholarship-bequest-in-its-history?fbclid=IwAR3jbgrep2sQniS_V18iLl56hTBlXdSFTjgKdyqSkhobuNzgL1c1M_SLVdU [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Are you sure about that ? Author: sparman [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:14:54 03/26/24 Tue Harvard may or may not be, but by now you are probably aware that Mack has reportedly entered the portal. https://www.on3.com/db/malik-mack-158447/ [ Post a Reply to This Message ]