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Subject: Will Dartmouth first year player get poached? Author: Go Green [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 07:13:23 04/08/24 Mon Lot of hand-wringing on the Ivy boards about losing some of our outstanding freshmen players to NIL deals at higher programs. I'll throw this one out for you--Dartmouth first year softball pitcher Jensin Hall. She no-hit Yale last week and struck out 17 players in a 7-inning shutout win against Brown this past weekend. She has 112 strikeouts so far for the season--which is pretty close to double the numbers of the second-place leader in the stat. Dartmouth played a pretty competitive non-league schedule, so her overall numbers aren't leading the league. But since conference play began, she's been kicking the **** out of competition. Hope we don't lose her!! [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> Subject: Re: Will Dartmouth first year player get poached? Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:19:03 04/08/24 Mon No disrespect to the fine women who play softball in the Ivy League, but if we lose a star freshman pitcher to the NIL transfer portal, we might as well just shut down the conference. That is, if we can't hang onto a softball player, we won't be able to hang onto anybody. Think about how much the world has changed for college coaches. Just three years ago, if a kid committed to you as a high school recruit, you owned that kid. You could yell at that kid, make his life miserable, not play him -- and he was pretty much stuck in your program. And it's not just football and men's basketball; it's a lot of sports you wouldn't expect. Think about Katey Stone at Harvard. She was some kind of wannabe abuser way beyond the desire to win hockey games. I think that, historically, some people, especially men, went into coaching because they got off on yelling at people. I mean, got off on it. Today, the moment that kid throws a no-hitter or makes ten three-pointers in a game, now the Hsu is on the other foot. The player has all the leverage and the coach is reverted back to recruiting the kid -- every single day, in every game, in every practice. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Will Dartmouth first year player get poached? Author: The Mountain Lion [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:20:05 04/08/24 Mon If you follow the sport of softball as Go Green and I do, then you would understand that this young lady's pitching stats are so unbelievably great that it is highly likely that every Top Twenty Ranked college softball team in the USA will be interested in her. Seventeen strikeouts in a seven inning softball no-hitter game is at least the equivalent of let's say, a 40 or 50 point college basketball game. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Definitely a nice run!! Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:34:14 04/08/24 Mon She's also 3-0 (all shutouts) in Ivy play. We will see if she can keep it up!! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Will Dartmouth first year player get poached? Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:02:22 04/08/24 Mon I don't question that young Miss Hall is an extraordinary talent. I can do the math: Seven innings * three outs per inning = 21 total outs in a regulation game (only 18 if the home team does not need to bat in the bottom of the seventh) Therefore, 17 strikeouts = kick ass. At the same time, you know as a self-professed softball fan that these wonderful pitchers are actually not that rare. The 40- or especially the 50-point college basketball scorer is a reach, a significant reach. The top top softball pitchers are a threat to throw a no-hitter every time that they enter the circle, especially if she has the bats on her roster to create the chance of a mercy-rule win after five innings. The best softball pitchers over a period of four years will throw several no-hitters. It's not a question of "if," it's "when." The broader point I was trying to make is that we know there is enough money sloshing around in football and men's basketball to steal our best players. If there is already enough money in softball to steal our best kids, we're done for as a serious Divison I conference. Our sales pitch for the last seven decades was, "We offer the best education and the most valuable network in America." If that's not enough to keep a softball pitcher in Hanover, it's gonna be a long long season in Hanover from now on. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: You got me curious... Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:23:25 04/08/24 Mon But yes -- three times in NCAA history has a pitcher struck out all 21 batters in a 7-inning softball game. https://ca.news.yahoo.com/college-softball-pitcher-struck-21-161315870.html [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: I didn't write that correctly Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:26:17 04/08/24 Mon Only one of those three games was a perfect game. For the other two, the pitcher obtained all 21 outs from the other team by strikeout. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: If We Can't Keep A Dartmouth Pitcher in Our League, Tommy Amaker is Done at Harvard Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:20:02 04/08/24 Mon Nobody can predict how the impact of NIL deals and the transfer portal will shake out over the next few years. But I'll make one bold prediction: If the Dartmouth softball program can't keep young Miss Jensin Hall in Hanover, then Tommy Amaker's days as a competitive force in this League are over. More than any coach in any sport in the conference, Amaker built his Harvard program on the core strategy of recruiting players who didn't "belong" in the Ivy League. He was bringing in high major guys into a mid-major conference with the promise of a Harvard degree, the equivalent of a full ride athletic scholarship via financial aid, and the chance to take advantage of other highly ranked recruits who were willing to make the same commitment to yield conference championships and NCAA tournament bids. If we can't even keep promising SOFTBALL players in our conference, Amaker's whole strategy is out the window. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: If We Can't Keep A Dartmouth Pitcher in Our League, Tommy Amaker is Done at Harvard Author: Livvy [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:54:59 04/08/24 Mon I see what you did there AO. Putting the word softball in all caps. The subtle misogyny. Well played [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: If We Can't Keep A Dartmouth Pitcher in Our League, Tommy Amaker is Done at Harvard Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:56:22 04/08/24 Mon Hi, Livvy and whatever different name you choose for your next post as well as your third name for the post after that, I think most readers would infer that I referred to SOFTBALL as a low revenue sport with limited NIL potential and no professional prospects. That is, a sport in which a Top 20 team could not simply buy a promising Ivy player with a big offer from the school collective. But you chose to read SOFTBALL as misogynistic in intent. I think you owe me the courtesy of an explication. If you're going to impugn somebody's motives, explaining your train of thought is in order. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Will Dartmouth first year player get poached? Author: RedWin [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:07:58 04/08/24 Mon Give up a Dartmouth education to play softball at Florida State or Texas A&M???? Women's softball is an awesome sport and try getting a hit off one of those fast pitch ladies? I am sure I would go 0-3 swinging at bat against any of those pitchers. But in reality giving up an Ivy League education for short-term NIL money is just a dumb move. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Will Dartmouth first year player get poached? Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:31:35 04/09/24 Tue To be sure, there is no indication that Hall is considering entering the portal (which does exist, although you need a subscription to follow it). I'm just throwing out that she's performing in a way comparable to some of the Ivy basketball guys who have entered the portal. Best I can tell, she's happy at Dartmouth. And as to AO's wondering whether there's enough NIL money in softball to move the transfer needle beyond what can be expected in any other year (i.e., players want to be closer to home, unhappy with current situation for whatever reason, etc.), I have no idea. Definitely bears watching, though... [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Will Dartmouth first year player get poached? Author: observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:21:13 04/09/24 Tue The underlying conceit that The Ivy League confers the same status upon its graduates as it once did is the issue. Given that legacy admissions are on the way out - making alumni loyalty a one way street; and meritocracy has been given a back seat recently - not to mention mealy-mouthed leadership - it seems like the big sales issue for the Ivies right now are the legacy brand names. Then again, A&P was a big brand in the USA at one point. As were Xerox and Kodak. Spalding was once the pre-eminent sporting goods brand. Compaq defined "laptop" computing. Yahoo! was the search engine du jour. Nothing is forever. Adapt or perish. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Just an update — legacies Author: joiseyfan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:44:09 04/09/24 Tue If you missed it, Princeton has very bluntly and very publicly reconfirmed its policy on legacies, which will be unchanged as other tweaks are made in admissions. It should be emphasized the trustees, whose oversight of admissions is generally strong anyway, went to the trouble of a special ad hoc committee just to emphasize the seriousness of the outcome. This result is clearly not going to change. It is explicitly a tie-breaker, and as far as I can tell, is currently used in that way only. What effect it has on other institutions will be of interest. Princeton has certainly given them cover if they want it. Another small note for sports fans. Transfer acceptances will be increased, mainly for veterans, juco grads, and others who’ve never before applied. The program has, from what I hear, been a huge success. https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltnietzel/2024/03/26/princeton-university-admissions-to-continue-considering-legacy-status/?sh=dc91478150c7 [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Just an update — legacies Author: observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:53:22 04/09/24 Tue If you think that legacy admissions in The Ivy League have only been used as a "tie-breaker" then I have some lovely oceanfront property in Coeur D'Alene in which you may be interested. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Just an update — legacies Author: joiseyfan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:17:20 04/09/24 Tue I never said any such thing. Read carefully for a change, and stop putting words in other people’s mouths. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: you mean this Coeur D'Alene Author: holtsledge [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:55:33 04/09/24 Tue https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/idaho-isis-suspect-s-arrest-highlights-how-crypto-is-increasingly-popular-with-extremist-groups-expert-says/ar-BB1llbXA [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Six Months Like No Other in Half A Century Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:44:50 04/09/24 Tue Thanks for the link, joisey. I think that, in time, Princeton's announcement regarding legacies will serve a similar role as Dartmouth's did regarding mandatory SAT scores. The woke social justice warrior culture on elite American campuses has become so out of control that it will take a number of high profile events to get administrators and boards to even ask themselves, "What the hell are we doing?" We've had five of those events in the last six months: (1) the overtly anti-semitic protests at many campuses, most notably Harvard (2) the unsightly Congressional testimony from the presidents of Harvard, Penn and MIT (3) the resignation of President Gay, which is related but separate and distinct from (2). President Gay tripped up on Capitol Hill, but it was the plagiarism which was fatal (4) Dartmouth reinstating mandatory SAT scores while announcing the results of an internal data-driven, results-oriented analysis showing that SAT optional actually hurts lower income applicants (5) Princeton, the one American university which all others aspire to be in terms of alumni loyalty, putting a flag into the ground and saying, "We're gonna keep doing what we're doing" Combine that with the Supreme Court decision banning affirmative action and this has been the most important six months in American higher education since affirmative action first became the universal policy in the Sixties and early Seventies. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Ok, WTF? Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 18:31:25 04/13/24 Sat Rachel McCarron, who is certainly a decent softball pitcher, started Tuesday's game for Dartmouth against Harvard. She did fine, but lost 4-2. She started the first game of the doubleheader for the Big Green against Princeton today. Lost 8-4. She started the second game of the doubleheader for the Big Green against Princeton today. Lost 11-1. She was the only pitcher to take the circle for all those games for Dartmouth. I'm getting the nagging feeling that Jensin Hall may be injured... :( [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Ok, WTF? Author: Bengal [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:40:44 04/14/24 Sun Clearly must be an issue of availability for DC pitchers. She went again today, losing a close one 3-2. Pitched 16 innings in 2 days. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: I'm sure Hall is either sick or injured Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 18:45:04 04/14/24 Sun Dartmouth did have a freshman pitcher last year (or year before) who showed promise, but ended up leaving the team. So yeah-- without Hall, it's just McCarroll as the only pitcher on the Dartmouth softball team. She's decent, but I can't believe that it's fair to expect her to be the ONLY pitcher on the team. I can only assume that Hall is sick or injured... [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: I missed this over the weekend Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:47:44 04/25/24 Thu HALL IS BACK AND DOING HER STUFF!!! https://dartmouthsports.com/news/2024/4/21/softball-hall-strikes-out-11-big-green-secure-series-sweep-of-cornell.aspx Article notes that she missed two weeks, but doesn't say what the issue was. Hopefully we aren't too far behind in the Ivy race and she can carry us to the playoff at least. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: And for whatever its worth... Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:53:10 04/25/24 Thu I realized yesterday how much helmet technology has improved today. My daughter plays for her school's middle school softball team. They had a game yesterday against a pitcher who reminded me a lot of the Charlie Sheen character in "Major League" She threw with plenty of gas, but the ball was always headed lord-knows-where. Sure enough, my daughter took a fastball right in the head in her second at bat. I thought "damn, that looked nasty" and started wondering where the nearest ER was. She just dropped her bat and ran to first as if nothing had happened. I'm not sure the same would have happened if she were wearing a helmet from my baseball days. I remember getting beaned a few times, and I always had to at least shake off the cobwebs... [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Will Dartmouth first year player get poached? Author: Ivy Patriot [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:28:27 04/13/24 Sat Dartmouth is not going to lose her to the portal. She was a well known quantity coming out of high school. Any NIL money that might be on the table now was there before she decided to come to Hanover. Contrast that to Danny Wolf, who has exploded on the scene as a sophomore. No one was going to open the vault to him coming out of high school the way they are now. So you can relax. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]