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Subject: A couple more data points Author: joiseyfan [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 20:19:48 11/15/25 Sat In reply to: Recent Blue 's message, "Princeton?" on 15:22:20 11/07/25 Fri The Tigers won the volleyball championship and home court for the ILT today. They did NOT really dominate the league at all, and lost along the way to Yale, Brown and Cornell, but beat all seven other teams at least once, so won solo at 11-3. This resembled some of the more interesting Ivy men’s basketball seasons. That’s five solo champioships for Princeton in the seven fall Ivy sports. The other two are football and, weirdly, field hockey, where Princeton is seeded second nationally in the NCAAs despite finishing second in the Ivies to a great Harvard team, whom they then beat in the ILT rematch. An obvious illustration of league championships being relative to the other seven Ivies, not necessarily absolute strength nationally or regionally. Just one additional note, slightly off-topic. It will be fun to see the talented women in the Ivy volleyball tourney playing their hard-fought battles in Dillon, exactly where Bill Bradley did so much to expand the vistas of Ivy athletics so many years ago. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> Subject: Re: Princeton? Author: Recent Blue [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:57:58 01/15/26 Thu OK. But how unique or at least different is this from other Ivies? Even if you assume the across the board support for athletics is stronger than the other seven schools, how is that the case in so many sports that Princeton wins as many titles as it does for so many years? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Princeton?/The future? Author: Bengal [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:00:42 03/24/26 Tue I had wanted to ask this question of some of our coaches, it took a while, and basically got back the answer I believe has been a consistent explanation for decades: The university gives equal treatment/support to all of the varsity teams. Success in all sports was the goal with as much even handedness as could generally be mustered. Back in the day, this was symbolized (and it was purely symbolism) by the website keeping every story visible for the same amount of time -- an NCAA basketball win was featured no more and no longer than a blowout loss in another sport. The website no longer does this equal time treatment (losses are usually harder to find, for example). There is a lot of nuance to this over time, and exceptions. Much too much to cover even for me, lol, and I am speaking in broad generalities. One consequence of this approach is that some of our varsity programs at various times were disadvantaged against programs of other Ivies who seem to focus on some sports more than others. And, of course, circumstances change over time, and less successful teams at some schools reverse their fortunes. Among the nuances, briefly: admissions supports all varsity sports (again, an exception here and there at one time or another). But it has often been a mixed bag in terms of its decision making. The Administration provides support, but has cut the number of recruits and with rare exceptions does not admit athletic transfers. Within a few years things could change: In the portal era, we will lose enrolled athletes while gaining few to none with our Administration's attitude toward athletic transfers. You can look at football and basketball teams (M & W) in our league alone and see their impact. The Administration will not take as many athletes as we are entitled to under the League formula. We have used NIL to some extent, but if we are not as aggressive as competitors might be that will be detrimental to our competitiveness. Admissions, right down to the current recruiting year, is almost certainly a continuing mixed bag. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]