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Subject: Harvard 34 Cornell 10


Author:
Squeaker
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Date Posted: 23:07:56 10/10/25 Fri

Harvard beats Cornell in a game that was much closer than the score. Take out an early unforced blunder from Cornell that gave Harvard an early TD, and this is a 10-10 game in the 4th quarter. Even still, it was 17-10 game in the 4th when the refs made a screw up on what could have been a cornell scoop and score.

Harvard looked strong but not quite as explosive as expected.

Cornell scrappy and physical but were a bit outmanned by Harvard's superior talent. Credit to them though, they could have won this game...

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[> Subject: Re: Harvard 34 Cornell 10


Author:
Boston Lion
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Date Posted: 23:59:54 10/10/25 Fri

I was there. All true. Very close game despite the score’s somewhat “accidental” optics.
[> Subject: Re: Harvard 34 Cornell 10


Author:
M3
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Date Posted: 00:26:45 10/11/25 Sat

The Harvard fumble that was not called in the 4th quarter ended what was becoming a competitive game
[> Subject: Re: Harvard 34 Cornell 10


Author:
Phil Leotardo
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Date Posted: 01:02:58 10/11/25 Sat

100% believe the shorter ref who was the line of scrimmage spot judge all night was cheating for Harvard. Consistently giving Harvard an extra half yard (at least) on their ball spots. The other ref who did all the talking, however, seemed fair
[> [> Subject: Cornell got jobbed by the refs


Author:
Penn Nation
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Date Posted: 08:21:19 10/11/25 Sat

Home cooking calls throughout the game.
[> [> [> Subject: Re: Cornell got jobbed by the refs


Author:
sparman
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Date Posted: 08:36:52 10/11/25 Sat

Announcers made a good point about the effect of bad calls on key plays on Cornell players.
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Cornell got jobbed by the refs


Author:
Joe Friday
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Date Posted: 10:48:12 10/11/25 Sat

Yes - it was obvious that the C players became totally deflated after the blown fumble/incomplete pass call in the 4th. It is totally unacceptable that the booth didn’t pause play and take a look at it - especially since they had paused play on one or more occasions previously on at least one much less consequential call.
It’s equally unacceptable that the C HC didn’t call timeout to plead his case, give the booth extra time to the right thing, get it right…but he didn’t - he presumed that justice would be done and that presumption was fatal. He failed to act in the moment and use all the tools at his disposal at the clear turning point in the game, and it may have cost them the game - and he knows it. I’m thinking he won’t make that mistake again.
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Cornell got jobbed by the refs


Author:
John Harvard (Timeout)
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Date Posted: 10:56:40 10/11/25 Sat

Surace would have claimed he did call timeout and run on the field regardless.
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Cornell got jobbed by the refs


Author:
Tiger69
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Date Posted: 16:53:19 10/12/25 Sun

John harvard: Still smartin’ from our win?
[> [> Subject: the single bias in this discussion is seen in folks who'd rather see harvard on the losing end.


Author:
valmas (stoic)
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Date Posted: 15:17:54 10/11/25 Sat

there's far too much hyperbolic nonsense to respond to all at once on this thread. let's just try to understand that the so-called 'spotting official' is the game's umpire and he's NOT cheating or placing the ball at some indiscriminate location to his emotional liking. actually, the wing officials are out there to
define for the umpire where to place the ball, based on their determination of the maximal point of forward progress at the end of a given play.

now, what exactly is forward progress? it's the most forward point toward the opponent's goal line that the ball has reached when the runner's
momentum is stopped by an opponent. there's a lot to unpack about this definition, though it should be clear to even the most
uninitiated that those officials nearest the sidelines at the beginning of a play have forward progress responsibilities as their movements are basically parallel to the field's sidelines; thus they've got the chance to look directly at a play, rather than taking it in from in front of or behind the action.

so, if you're going to complain about the spotting of the ball, at
least make the attempt to figure out who to direct your complaint to. better still, admit that it's more than a bit unhinged to cite 'home cooking' and 'cheating' as realistic factors in ivy league
football contests.

keep in mind, too, that if ever you appear in a court proceeding as a defendant or plaintiff, you're certainly entitled to a fair outcome - though not necessarily a perfect one! similarly, these game officials work to give the kids a fair game and they generally succeed in doing just that.
[> [> [> Subject: Re: the single bias in this discussion is seen in folks who'd rather see harvard on the losing end.


Author:
Squeaker
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Date Posted: 15:26:08 10/11/25 Sat

I was not paying as close of attention to the play by play spotting of the ball as Phil seems to have been, but I can think of a couple curious spots that were in Harvard's favor. Most notably when the Harvard receiver caught the ball right on the sideline seemingly a full yard short of the first down line, only to be immediately driven backwards by Cornell defenders. Somehow, though, the first down was granted
[> [> [> [> Subject: 'seemingly' being the operative word of your conmentary.


Author:
valmas (stoic)
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Date Posted: 21:36:43 10/11/25 Sat

you write about the runner being immediately driven backwards when that just begs the question: what was the most forward point of the ball - the point of the BALL nearest the opponent's goal line -
in relation to the yard line and nearest sideline when the runner's momentum was stopped by an opponent or he stepped out of
bounds? notice, the rule doesn't
relate to a need to know where the runner's torso was when the play ended and so many of these long-
limbed, skill position players are so very good at extending the ball forward, a yard or more, before
their momentum is stopped and while they're still inbounds. not to mention that these types of plays can explode on the covering referee who needs to come up with several data points of information in an instant: catch/no catch; landing point inbounds/out of bounds; was momentum stopped; did the runner go out-of-bounds and where was the nose of the ball when the play ended?

and if there's any benefit of the doubt to be given, it typically goes to the offensive player doing the heavy lifting on the play: making the catch; establishing inbounds possession of the ball; absorbing contact and still managing to maintain ball control and forward momentum. as each team will go on offense at some point in the game with rules encouraging an equivalency in total number of team possessions, each team's offense stands to reap this same level of benefit; or to create a higher level of benefit for themselves as based on their efforts and presentation.

all this having now been stated, squeaker, is not to discount the worthiness of your assessments. perhaps your view should carry the day, but, again, the game's not perfect - not from the perspective of anyone associated with event. but i remain confident that the day the players come to play mistake-free football, the referees will be on the scene, calling the perfect game, too.
[> [> [> Subject: Re: the single bias in this discussion is seen in folks who'd rather see harvard on the losing end.


Author:
Phil Leotardo
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Date Posted: 19:27:42 10/11/25 Sat

Yeah, I know what forward progress is. Call it like I see it, one ref in particular giving Harvard generous spots all night.
[> Subject: Re: Harvard 34 Cornell 10


Author:
John Harvard (Revealing?)
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Date Posted: 09:37:54 10/11/25 Sat

I had been felt that Harvard’s opportunistic defense and Cornell’s turnovers might have made this matchup appear less competitive coming in than it would be. The game was competitive, sans those turnovers. Going back to Stetson, I’ve been wondering if Harvard is that good. Appears they are strong, but not overpowering.

Remaining Ivy schedule will be competitive
[> [> Subject: Re: Harvard 34 Cornell 10


Author:
RedWin
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Date Posted: 14:05:53 10/11/25 Sat

Cornell's defense played very well as I think one of our scores was a run back. Coach Jared Backus does a great job! Unfortunately on the offensive side of the ball, we once again had no running game. If this continues Cornell will go 0-10 this season. Just really frustrating for us alums who have invested so much into this program and we have another coach running a stupid spread no-huddle offense that has never worked at Cornell. That's what pisses me off and maybe it's time to stop writing checks to this football program. Again I am a $%^&* pissed off alum.
[> [> [> Subject: Re: Harvard 34 Cornell 10


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RedWin
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Date Posted: 14:11:12 10/11/25 Sat

Just to add.........this is the 6th #$%^& head football coach Cornell has hired since the year 2000. I could have told the the admins this offensive scheme does not work in Ithaca. Wait until the weather turns cold, windy, and wet with no running game. Good luck............
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Harvard 34 Cornell 10


Author:
CornellFan
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Date Posted: 08:39:54 10/12/25 Sun

Maybe it's not really the head coaches and their offensive schemes? Lots of past banter on this site by others calling for Coach Archer to be fired. His record was about the same as was the record of high profile Coach Austin, even as Austin had arguably one of the best quarterbacks ever to play at Cornell, or for that matter the Ivy League. After nine seasons not unreasonable to move on from Archer. However, to expect a drastic change with a new coach is unrealistic. Attracting talent is the key to winning, and Cornell faces challenges beyond just the coaching staff. Let's see how Coach Swanstrom does with his four recruiting classes.
[> [> [> [> Subject: They lost the best offensive weapon before the season started


Author:
Floridared
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Date Posted: 09:57:58 10/12/25 Sun

Samuel Musungu JR WR was a preseason All-American selection who unfortunately had played last season on a torn ACL and required offseason surgery. Agreed they are building talent. They will have the largest indoor practice facility in the Ivy League next year to help with offseason workouts. It takes time to rebuild a program that was really down under Archer.
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: They lost the best offensive weapon before the season started


Author:
RedWin
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Date Posted: 12:22:11 10/12/25 Sun

I apologize for my post. Agreed it will take time. My primary frustration going back to last year is Swanstrom doesn’t run the football. I don’t think we had any running backs last or this year rush for 100 yards. Meanwhile in just four games we have thrown 10 interceptions and two for pick sixes. Meanwhile our offensive linemen are in a two point stance and I don’t think this coaching staff even teaches them how to run block. Oh well….
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: you're the last person on this thread who has anything to apologize for.


Author:
valmas (stoic)
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Date Posted: 13:42:52 10/12/25 Sun

given your passion and history with the game, i'd encourage your promoting yourself for a part-time assistant football coaching position. and at least you're not wasting everyone's time, whining about the officiating; nor blaming the referees for players' lapses in concentration.
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: They lost the best offensive weapon before the season started


Author:
RedWin
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Date Posted: 22:13:08 10/12/25 Sun

I used "meanwhile" two times in a row. I was once again sitting in an airport on another business trip with late flights, typing on my phone.

As a former OL man, what drives me nuts is when the coaches have the OL in a two point stance on running plays. I just can't imagine trying to fire out and block from a two point stance. Going back to high school, players were given a star on their helmet when they "pancaked" a defender. As long as you were not grabbing them, you were never called for a hold. Oh well I guess football is not as tough as in my day. Go Big Red!
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: They lost the best offensive weapon before the season started


Author:
Bob S (Bob S)
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Date Posted: 09:59:00 10/13/25 Mon

I think Cornell is running the same offense that many kids want to play today which is wide open shotgun. Who runs smashmouth football besides the service academies, Georgia Tech, and Georgia Southern. Its not just in vogue.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: They lost the best offensive weapon before the season started


Author:
sparman
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Date Posted: 18:29:40 10/13/25 Mon

An important point when considering recruiting. It has already been noted that Cornell faces some recruiting disadvantges relative to other ivies.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: They lost the best offensive weapon before the season started


Author:
RedWin
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Date Posted: 22:33:48 10/13/25 Mon

I disagree. Look at Ohio State with a very modern college offense, but their lineman know how to run block. It's football 101. Run blocking is fun and our coaching staff needs to teach our OL to fire-out and drive the defenders off the line of scrimmage.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: They lost the best offensive weapon before the season started


Author:
sparman
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Date Posted: 08:24:53 10/14/25 Tue

I would not expect that OSU recruiting concepts (read = $$) can be applied to Cornell, but I would be interested in hearing what the coaches who actually do the recruiting think on the subject.


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