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Date Posted: Fri, September 07 2007, 13:46:17 GMT-10
Author: nac
Subject: Re: Cutting the scrum
In reply to: Gregory Pfeiffer 's message, "Re: Cutting the scrum" on Thu, September 06 2007, 18:20:22 GMT-10

>If you follow the half-back around the back of the
>scrum, you should have no players between you and the
>ball-carrier. You will also be in position for forward
> passes, and will be able to leave the touch-judges to
>check on any incidents from the scrum, which is their
>job. We also end up with all three officials in front
>of the ball.

Well - you must be either leaving very early or have very very very good scrums. Even if you are lightning fast you will always have some players in the way, and more often than not, be watching the half backs back as he scurries away towards his backs OR runs the ball up himself. Then you seem to forget about the quick detaching lock as well.

>If the referee short cuts, then he relies more heavily
>on the touch-judges to watch the ball carrier and thus
>not perform their duty of watching the scrum break up.
>AS the touch-judges are holding the offending team
>backline 5m back from the scrum, we also end up with
>all three officials in front of the ball, which is not
>ideal.

Sorry - your logic is not clear. Firstly lets remove the word "short-cut" cause really you dilute your opinion when you make value statements like that.

How does this provoke more reliance on TJ's???? If he is taking the different route he is already in place thereby relieving the TJ's. In fact, taking the "traditional" route will see him have to rely upon a TJ more considering his position behind the play!

>I cannot find a reason for short0cutting the scrum, as
>it does not achieve anything that can't be achieved by
>following the ball around the back of the scrum, and
>does result in the referee being in a poorer position
>to rule on events.

Sadly you have a pre-determined view which is sad. How do you think we make progress in the field of reffin without trying new things? Challenge the tradition - and if it works keep it. Scrums IMO are one area where we can do better and I think taking an optional pathway around the scrums could be one we should consider.

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