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Subject: Shiny Happy people Author: Karin_ven [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 23:57:53 05/22/24 Wed Hi, On a forum somebody noticed this documentary, happy shiny people. So I watched it on Amazone prim. Iam from Belgium so I never heard of this family or this church. I understand everything went wrong sinds on of the family touched his sisters in the wrong way, an got convicted for 12 years. That’s very serious. What surprised me is that the church had authority so hi in standard. And that the methods to let it work mainly was forced with spankings. For the children, the teenagers and the young wife’s, there was no age cap for spankings. Iam a pro spanking mom so Iam not going to judge what’s right or wrong but it made me curious on how things where done. They talk about the rod of correction like the bible describes it. Do they actually use a rod or is it more symbolic? They talk about a contract between husband and wife about domestic discipline and with the contract comes an implement, what is it ? I googled how many people joined the IBLP community and I saw there where a few million people who live by the rules of the community. Are there people here that are raised or practice this Christian movement? It’s in no intention to offend anybody with my quiestians, iam just surprised that it happens today. I thought that only a few people were spanked to an older age. Karin [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> Subject: Re: Shiny Happy people Author: stripey7 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 05:48:12 05/23/24 Thu I hadn't heard of this group by that name, but found something about it on the website of the International Cultic Studies Association, which linked to this ex-members' group: https://www.recoveringgrace.org/ I've heard of other religious groups where spanking is normative, even for some adults. Less important IMO than whether spanking is practiced and on whom, is whether there's a psychologically coercive environment in the group. Clearly many ex-members think there is in IBLP. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Shiny Happy people Author: stripey7 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 18:29:05 06/04/24 Tue Here's a related article: https://religionnews.com/2024/05/30/adults-raised-in-the-christian-parenting-empire-of-the-70s-90s-push-back/ [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Shiny Happy people Author: stripey7 (Playful) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 05:55:43 05/23/24 Thu Perhaps they should be called Hiney Whapping People. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Shiny Happy people Author: Destiny [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:25:13 05/23/24 Thu It is a TV 'documentary” which is another installment in the Left's ongoing attack against Christianity. The Duggar family was the subject of a popular TV series called “19 and Counting” referring to the large number of children they had. It was never any secret that the Duggars are members of a conservative/traditionalist Christian church, which believes in the strict moral upbringing of children which includes spanking. Likewise it is a patriarchal family where the father is head of the household. However, it was never brought out that they practice domestic discipline, which is apparently part of this new documentary. What sunk the original series is one of the minor boys was sexual molesting his sister. It was reported to the authorities. The parents got them to treat it lightly and he got counseling and juvenile probation. Later when the boy was an adult his criminal sexual behavior did not stop. He raped others outside the family and is currently in prison. This is hardly an indictment of Christianity or the Duggars (except perhaps for seeking lenient treatment of their son) The Duggars and the many children (and their spouses) continue to live a Christian missionary lifestyle. Their current blog is here: https://www.duggarfamilyblog.com/ [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Shiny Happy people Author: Destiny [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:46:41 05/23/24 Thu See also Michelle's blog: https://www.duggarfamily.com/ [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Shiny Happy people Author: Dana [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:29:59 05/23/24 Thu Organized religion's influence and ambition in political matters, and the threat of theocracy is all too real these days, so we want to know about how these people and/or cults think and operate. A documentary is part of our defense mechanism. What may be coming for our values and ways of life? This Duggar family may be just one instance of something, but it could be a worthy story to have told. The strange and extreme get the most attention, and we look for where they are flawed and vulnerable to criticism. Regardless of the motive behind telling the story, whatever is true is true. As a spanking fetishist, I'm interested in how religions promote and practice spanking as discipline because it provides real-world non-consensual situations of authentic punishment. But growing up in a secular household where spanking was the primary method of punishment, I know one need not rely on religion for it. That remains true today. Even in the "old days," people tended to keep these family matters somewhat private. Here in the USA today, there is even more incentive to hide the fact, and that contributes to the belief that spanking is rare all over the country. It still exists for people of all ages. Many Americans are holding on to tradition and to "old-fashioned" ideas, and often "god" only knows what goes on behind closed doors. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Shiny Happy people Author: Karin_ven [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:06:59 05/24/24 Fri Thank you for responding. I watched the documentary and what I saw is a long introduction to blame the way of life and upbringing that got the son to abuse his sisters and later other women. I think it has nothing to do with that, I think it’s in a man. What suprised me was the fact that spankings where used as the main form of discipline to all ages and that there was no age gap. I was raised and spanked to a older age, but Iam 48 and even then, it was tabou where I grew up. Now I see among a lot of people that spankings are given to kids as long as they live at home and even as a young wife. I always knew that “ Iam to old for a spanking” is noncence. As long as it hurts, it teaches a lesson and that doesn’t stop at 14. So seeing the documentary made me realise that there are a lot of people that feel the same way so I was interested. I object the way they put the blame on someone, and to put the parents of this family away as evil. If so many stil spank to a older age, there must be some on this forum that could tell, us about it I hope so because it’s hard enouf believing in spanking when it’s a big tabou like in Europe. For that I envy the Americans. Thank you for the links I am going to look at the sites. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Shiny Happy people Author: Intrigued [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:34:44 05/24/24 Fri Hi Karin; can you tell us about your experiences getting spanked when you were growing up? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Shiny Happy people Author: Dana [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:54:42 05/24/24 Fri While I grew up with spanking and know it still exists in America, I'm not so naive to believe a lot of what is posted on sites like this. If it is wise to be sceptical of documentaries, then one should be even more discerning with what they accept as fact from totally anonymous and unaccountable sources on platforms where fetishists gather to share what is often pure fantasy or wishful thinking. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Shiny Happy people Author: Karin_ven [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:22:35 05/26/24 Sun I agree there is a lot of post that are more of a fantasie then what really happend What is shown in the documentery about discipline was told by women from the church. There was no advantage for them to lie about it. And I have have heard people talk about being spanked until they left homeland into their marriage. But I always thought that it didn’t happen in this time, until the documentary. A lot of people on these forums talk about spanking like it is a normal to get spanked with a brush for ten minutes, or with a belt. Or even that it has a sort of romantic touchs. It’s not, it hurts like hel, it only takes a few minutes to roast your behind. And I feared it deeply and I did everything to avoid it. That’s why it works so good as punishment. I stil like to hear more about how things go in the church and to what age’s ? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Shiny Happy people and Long Spankings Author: Alfred22 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:51:34 05/26/24 Sun Karin_ven is absolutely right about how long it takes for spanks to overwhelm a normal person's capacity to absorb them without going into a pain-induced panic, trying to end the spanking, and maybe cursing or manifesting extreme anger. With almost any spanking implement, it only takes a very short time. I am assuming no specific training and other motivations like qualifying for an elite military unit. The really long spankings often described on here are probably legally abusive in most jurisdictions. That is, they most likely induce photographable marks that would easily be visible 24 hours subsequent to administration. . [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Shiny Happy people and Long Spankings Author: Karin_ven [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 03:38:20 05/27/24 Mon I agree with you. In my case, I was spanked over the knee on the bare until marriage. It always startet by hand, and it didn’t take long before tears where flowing. Wel into tears the hairbrush came, after between ten to twenty wacks I was out of control and a big mess. After crying it outweighed in the corner I was done but often felt very sorry for myself in my bedroom. And like Dana said, wel behaved for as long as possible. Although I got it more then ones within 24 hours. When I look at clips where girls get a spanking, I always feel a child, because they lay stil getting their spanking. Whitout giving a reaction. A good clip is when you can almost feel what your watching. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Shiny Happy people Author: Dana [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 00:31:18 05/27/24 Mon It is good to see someone here who is interested in reality. A spanking in our house did not take long. While getting one, I had no sense of time, but hearing my siblings, it did not last more than about a minute. 60 seconds with your behind on fire is more than enough to get the message across. After being spanked, behavior was good for months. You can tell when someone has never spanked or received a real spanking when they talk about long and frequent punishments. In their fantasies they like to imagine spankings that don't actually work to provide effective discipline, so they can talk about them happening every day or every week. By the time the kids are 5, they must have butts like old shoe leather and the PTSD of a Vietnam War vet. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Yanko Spanko Author: Ireland [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:46:01 05/27/24 Mon That is funny, sad and spot on. Kids disciplined the way often portrayed on sites like this is nothing less than abuse. These over the-top beatings are not spankings but pedophile sadism. They can be easily distinguished from good old Yanko Spanko. Happy Memorial Day: [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Shiny Happy people Author: Martijnlft [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 00:28:50 05/29/24 Wed Hi Karin, Good topic! I am from the Netherlands and I agree with you that it is lonely in Europe, given the taboo around spanking . So glad with this topic. I will also send you a message through flickr.com as I would like to connect with you to exchange views. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]