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Date Posted: 09:27:02 02/18/03 Tue
Author: Stagnated
Subject: This winning season will set us back for another four

What a joke; reward TOT with a new contract? The guy has no understanding of the game, is emotionally unstable, has no respect among the coaching staff (past and present), yet, because he manages a winning season with the best talent in the league, will continue to grace us with his presence. As long as Doris stays in place, we will never rid ourselves of this incompetent.

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[> Re: This winning season will set us back for another four -- stag 02, 11:51:20 02/18/03 Tue

I tend to agree with many of your points, but it is tough to argue with W's


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[> [> You have to ask these questions -- JoeStag, 13:00:33 02/18/03 Tue

- Is the Program in better shape than its been in a long time????

- With a winning season this year, Don't the prospects look good that we will win for the next few years in a row????

- Hasn't TOT got this team to play good defense, and play hard each game.... the foundation of every good program????

- Haven't we won more Big games in the past 1.5 years than we have in a long time??????

- As stag02 said, Aren't the W's the final determination????

- Don't you see improvement in TOT's coaching each year????

- Hasn't TOT also focused on academics and players following the rules????

I think you have to answer yes to most of those questions, but if you believe that we have "Superior Talent" in the MAAC, then I think you are not being objective. This is the first year that we have not had the worst backcourt in the MAAC. And while our Frosh/Soph backcourt is going to be very good with experience, they still need to get a whole lot of confidence in their offensive games. I am still waiting for our first guard to average double figures.

Overall I think our talent level is equal to Iona, Siena and Niagara, and probably lower that Manhattan (but thats due to Flores). So I disagree big time that we have had all this talent this year or in prior years.

I have always said that you could not evaluate TOT properly until he got some good guards into this program. We finally have them, and I can see the difference.


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[> [> [> Re: You have to ask these questions -- I Agree, 14:07:53 02/18/03 Tue

I Agree, this year the Stags made progress. The foundation of the team is solid and with some luck nad leadership, next year the Stag's will have another winning season, back to back, something we have not seen in many years. Yes, TOT has made progess, but let's a large part of this year's success is owed to Oscar and Delfico for their senior leadership, even though yesterday the leadership took a day off against a team that is playing very good ball lately. TOT deserves to come back and to be given a chance to build on to this year's winning team. This year's team will not fall apart in the remaining regular season games, nor will it fail to win at least one tourney game. With 15 wins already, the Stags are headed towards a solid winning season, possibly 18, 19 or even 20 wins. TOT deserves to come back. He's no John Wooden, name three college coaches who are, but he's got the program headed in the right direction.


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[> [> [> Joe Stag - Right on point -ask the FAN -- TruthRuth, 14:32:15 02/18/03 Tue

JoeStag - well laid out points - all true and undeniable..

Even Mike and MadDog (who have admittedly buried the guy over the past 4 1/2 years) said that TOT and Stags will only improve in the MAAC the next several years with such a young team -and that FU ought to give the guy a contract...

Interestingly, they also said that FU must realize who they are and no get carried away here (like some on this board)... TOT, Hobbie, Buzz et al have turned this program around and as JoeStag points out, there has been definite progress on all fronts.. again, credit where credit is due..

As for Stagnate and the likes of the ridiculous nay-sayers that constantly whine and moan about the current program, as WFAN's top sports authorities stated quite clearly last week to all of FU, Be careful what you wish for.. you just might get it....


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[> [> [> [> Re: Joe Stag - Right on point -ask the FAN -- Stagnated, 15:54:43 02/18/03 Tue

Doesn't make an impact when Mike and the MadDog give their backing to TOT, but since such a knowlegable and objective evaluator as you support him, then we must know its true. Go find another board to haunt, you phoney shill, you have absolutely no credibility.
Your idol simply will never learn how to use his people. Observe how he is consistently outcoached each game.


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[> [> [> [> Re: Joe Stag - Right on point -ask the FAN -- stag 02, 15:57:08 02/18/03 Tue

I agree the stags are going the right way, but my post is regarding the "WFAN's top sports authorties" statement. If those two bumbling fools who have no idea about basketball, or anything other than the yankees and giants (baseball) are anybody's top authorities that company is in trouble. GO STAGS!!


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[> [> [> [> A couple of things to remember... -- GuyF, 16:37:20 02/18/03 Tue

1. There are guarantees. You guys have a young nucleus and all, but that does not ensure future success. Kids sometimes don't develop much if they aren't coached properly (ie, Jermaine Clark, Dyree Wilson), other kids' attitudes change as they are "recruited over", etc.

2. While Fairfield is young, you do have three (or more?) guys who provide, if nothing else, experience and leadership that won't be back next year. While a guy like Delfico may lack star power, believe me, you'll miss him, even if you plug in a more talented player to replace him.

3. Fairfield's future is bright, but that doesn't ensure that you'll finish 2nd or better next year. Manhattan should still be very strong next year with only Jared Johnson a notable graduate. Iona replaces its only graduating senior, Maceo Wofford, with an All-Big East player. Siena is generally a very young team. Niagara isn't overly veteran. Even Rider is young and should be better. That's the other top 5 or 6 teams in the league that all figure to be stronger than this year. Lots of variables in there.


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[> [> [> [> Re: Joe Stag - Right on point -ask the FAN -- Continent, 18:28:51 02/18/03 Tue

How can Mike and the Dog be experts on a team they've maybe seen play once all season? They have no idea what they are talking about. Which still puts them ahead of Truth Ruth.


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[> [> [> [> Re: Joe Stag - Right on point -ask the FAN -- Stag 92, 19:20:26 02/18/03 Tue

I'm all for TOT staying, but referring to the Mike and the Dog conversation. You must not have listened. They haven't seen him coach, have ridiculed him for four years, and were reading from a boxscore. TOT did an excellent job on the program, however, to use this as a basis, in my opinion, is pretty light. Read JoeStags post, that's why he stays along with not wanting to start over.


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[> [> [> Re: You have to ask these questions -- Champ, 15:18:12 02/18/03 Tue

I'm already sensing a little bit of "wait til next year" sentiment. I'm not so sure that that is so positive, given we give up a lot in Delfico and Garcia Who replaces those points and more specifically, that physical toughness.

From what I hear, several MAAC teams will be loaded with talented returning freshmen and new recruits. Are ours so superior on paper?

But let's get back on track. How about a few blow-outs to end the regular season, team?


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[> [> [> Re: You have to ask these questions -- Bridgeport, 18:01:03 02/18/03 Tue

JS

You do see the glass half full, and it is.
Many virtues mixed with some disappointments.
Its that way in basketball most often


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[> TOT - MAAC - future -- Menzies, 17:32:23 02/19/03 Wed

Coaches, like players, in the MAAC are mostly not complete, else they would not be in the MAAC or at least not long in the MAAC. We have won this year with better and deeper talent than most and defensive intensity.

That being said, I'd like to see coaching and player improvement, especially on the offensive end. Is Hobbie an "offensive" coach? We need an offensive mind. And if TOT progresses and becomes that, great. If that means he moves on, good for him.

I am happy we have had a good year. But given what we have all seen, asking for improvement is VERY reasonable. I think TOT would agree.


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