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Date Posted: 22:33:56 01/20/03 Mon
Author: WS Stag
Subject: Give#1 Stag the Big Bucks

OK, it takes a few years to recruit, train and have a team buy into a coach. TOT & staff have clearly set the base for the future while getting harrassed internally as well as from the outside. This Stag team has come together, beyond all reasonable expectations. It is time for the MAAC leader to be recognized as a leader should for a job well done.
The time has come to re-up Tim's contract now. To not do so hurts Fairfield 2 ways- possible lame duck team descension, and with recruiting. What rival coach would not use TOT's status to recruit a player against us?
Gene Doris- Please get this done!

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[> Re: Give#1 Stag the Big Bucks -- Truth Ruth, 22:42:43 01/20/03 Mon

Amen WS.. why doesn't everyone jump down WS' throat for posts like this?? This is what I have been saying for three years -and the only difference now is that the Stags are 7-0...

I hope TOT is offered an extension and leaves you all high and dry for the lack of support, hyper-criticism, & lack of patience in building a program ...

Who do you think you guys are to criticize and call for someone's head? Duke? Terps? Kentucky..

wake up and realize that without TOT you guys are back to square one.. losing and whining about it on this board..


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[> [> Where would we be without O'Toole -- Reindeer Fan, 23:07:18 01/20/03 Mon

We have no way of knowing. We might have won 20 games last year with a different coach. Or we might have won 8. We just don't know. While we can give O'toole credit for evaluating and attracting talent, would another person have been able to attract this talent given Fairfields new arena? Should Doris get most of the credit for the things he has done in terms of facility improvements to make it possible for Tim to attract these players?

For this reason it is hard to evaluate O'toole versus other choices since we have no real ability to measure or evaluate the other choices. I do believe it is wrong to blame the coach for all the ills of a program that has struggled for 20 years nor should the coach stand alone if the program has finally turned the corner. While the future looks promising, how many remember the 20 win season Cormier had, the great young recruits and the great returning senior class that featured Bowman and Francis. That was a great team that finished last due to a host of key injuries to Boucard, Bowman and Miller (just to name a few). I thought Cormier had turned the corner but in reality he had not. So while things look promising O'toole has yet to match the 20 win seasons shown by Cormier or Buonguoro two coaches who were ultimately fired....


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[> [> [> O'Toole Factor -- WS Stag, 23:37:21 01/20/03 Mon

The Stags had a 36% winning record from the begining of the MAAC until TOT started.There were 3 winning seasons in 22 years, and TOT captained the 24-7 1986 club. We stunk.
I believe that TOT & crew are about 5 games over .500 in the MAAC (42-37?). A 7-0 start in MAAC play is icing on the cake. The Stags are beginning to be good, and maybe very good.
Fairfield has been a coaches graveyard. Tim took a big gamble with his career coming back after Duke and Seton Hall.
It is a wonderful confluence of events that built Harbor Yards and renovated the Fairfield campus and athletic facilities. That coupled with consistency in the coaching ranks and this winning team, can only help attract more talent.
Resign Tim O'Toole now based on his merits. I rest my case.


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[> [> [> [> Re: O'Toole Factor -- Threepointer, 07:35:53 01/21/03 Tue

Amen- WS.Well said!


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[> [> Re: Give#1 Stag the Big Bucks -- GOSTAGS, 23:19:25 01/20/03 Mon

tr- i think that it is safe to say that everyone on this board was from the beginning of TOT's reign pulling and hoping to rebuild the b-ball program from the ashes that it seemed to be in for many years outside of a few glimmers of hope over the last 15 years....I think we all thought that within 3-5 years we'd have at least the 2nd best program in CT....you have to understand though that when things continued to be sub-par many fans became frustrated and wanted to blame someone....last year was a let-down...we all expeccted more from the team...probably too much....the idea of playing in the new arena would somehow transform the team into superstars...we all wanted to believe it...there were a lot of mental on-court errors which made you think.."who is running this ship?"...TOT was trying everything ...including the 5 men hockey rotation...I mean that flies in the face of the way 99.9% of all d-1 coaches coach....you had to think twice if you follow any kind of b-ball...with that said...the team this year has shown they can win the close one...everyone was so quick to say that losing these games last year was the coaches fault and now that they are winning those games they are giving credit to TOT and his staff....rightfully so....everyone that is close to TOT or anyone that has ever met him...even in passing is pulling for him...i mean, he is an alum...also...remember that most of the people that post on this board are the best fans FU has...the most loyal, the most dedicated, the most willing to sit and watch a game with no heat on in the new arena (Yale game)....anyway...I hope you get my point here...there's no doubt you are a fan and will be for years....so is everyone else on this board....understand though that people do get frustrated and better they take it out here than yelling stupid remarks during a game....your glass is always half full...good for you for remaining positive....i actually believe that we can win the MAAC tourney every year...even when we really have had some bad teams....everyone is entitled to their own opinion but it's unfair to say everyone is a whiner on this board....okay ...I've said enough....Go Stags...beat manhattan!...by the way...I would re-new his contract


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[> [> Re: Give#1 Stag the Big Bucks -- Stag-ger, 11:08:43 01/21/03 Tue

You're right, Liz. TOT walks on water and we should all be sent to hell for not knowing he's the messiah. You want the truth, Ruth? You have no clue.


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[> Make him finish the job before handing him any $. -- soup, 22:56:38 01/20/03 Mon

See how things play out down the stretch. People are going to be gunning for you guys now - see how he handles it. I've seen TOT blow his stack too many times when push comes to shove. The season is really on only half over.

If you guys get 14 MAAC wins and a MAAC title - give him his due. He's got some proving to do still. It's not like the Lanier situation last year - 1st year coach. It's taken O'Toole years to right his own sinking ship - but there are still some icebergs out there.

Anyway, keep riding the wave.


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[> [> Re: Make him finish the job before handing him any $. -- Threepointer, 23:25:31 01/20/03 Mon

If we listen to you - we're making a big mistake. If we expect to be able to recruit and look beyond this year - FU needs to show good faith to him now. If we wait- I think we are playing with fire.
If TO wins the MAAC and even the tourney - he'll get offered a position. It may not be an ACC position- but he'll be offered something. And based on the ZERO support the athletic department and University has shown him to date - why in his right mind would he stay on? Why would he chose to be a loyal to an Athletic Director who was the farthest than loyal to him? I doubt we pay that well and I doubt TO is incapable of finding something else. Although this board may criticize TO to death- he seems to be pretty well respected by his peers and I seriously doubt the guys a fool. For god sake he graduated from our fine alma mater :) I think if we offer him an extension now- we may have a chance to correct the ills of the past (Dorris' public lack of support, the unexplainable school imposed ban of his best player in his last contract year, etc.)and move forwaqrd on the right foot. If we wait- we jepordize the future of the program of which without TO sets us back to the same re-building phase we were in before he got here. I want to see our program hit the next level and my bets on TO getting us there!
So Gene Dorris- stop focusing on the girls team, put aside your fears of being called nepotistic and do the right thing- EXTEND TOT NOW!!!!!


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[> [> [> Reality..Doris and TOT -- free_beer, 23:31:42 01/20/03 Mon

Doris has shown great faith in TOT by enduring consectutive losing seasons and givng him the new arena as a recruiting tool. IMO, if TOT was not an alumni he would of been let go last year...believe it!! Just ask Paul and Mitch..and they had MAAC titles and NCAA appearances.


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[> [> [> Doris has been good to timmy O -- JCM, 23:37:20 01/20/03 Mon

I think Doris has helped TOT immensely, and his public criticism may have been just what Tim needed. The old Tim O'toole would have fallen to pieces tonight, yelled at the refs, gotten two technicals, and made herky jerky player moves. O'toole had a strategy to force the ball inside and when it didn't work, he coached and adjusted his game plan. A fine job tonight, that might not have been possible if Doris had not told Mr. O'toole what was expected of him. And even though the deal is not signed yet, don't think O'toole hasn't already heard from Doris that he is good to go for another 2 years...


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[> [> [> [> Doris set the Criteria and has been very objective -- JoeStag, 23:49:19 01/20/03 Mon

IMO, Doris has been very fair to TOT, and setup up some very fair, resonable, and objective goals: A Winning Season, Win the close games, play better fundamental hoops. All three of those have and will happen.

I am sure that Doris will do the right thing for TOT and the University. No reason to jump into a quick extention or quick renewal. A proper contract should be designed that benifits both parties. I am sure that those plans are in the works.


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[> [> [> [> [> Re: Doris set the Criteria and has been very objective -- jenningsbeach, 00:32:11 01/21/03 Tue

In my mind, Tim was never in any real danger. I thought 14 wins was the magic number, and I even figured a 12-15, 11-16 season could be "spun"—Deng and Gai missed 6 games, Logan's out for the season, etc.—to re-up O'Toole for one year. If the team completely unraveled, and Tim put up a Mitch season—you know, 7-20—then I thought he'd lose his job.

I'm ecstatic for Tim—and for us—that things have turned out this way. I hope he and Doris work out the details; in fact, I have no doubts they will. It's taken longer than I thought, with many missteps along the way, but we've finally arrived at the place I thought we'd be when Tim was hired. It's awesome to see the Stags finally personify what O'Toole brought to the table as a player: heart, courage, hustle, poise and a never-say-die attitude.

Yes, I know 11 games remain. But this team is not going to collapse. They will be the No. 1 or No. 2 seed in Trenton.


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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Doris set the Criteria and has been very objective -- Threepointer, 07:29:51 01/21/03 Tue

What are you guys realted to Gene :)? Has he promised you good seats? :)ha-ha But honestly- I think you guys are giving Gene too much credit. I have a feeling there is president named Father Kelly who calls the shots up there- Gene doesn't make a big move without the good fathers suggestion/approval. I guess if I was TO - I would feel loyalty to no one. Imagine if your boss gave you an ultimatum in the paper like that. Gene could have said it behind doors-to TO directly- but to say it like that to reporters was classless. I've said it here and I'll say it again- I think the AD is a big part of the program's problem. Maybe it's time for that to change. Is GD of the right pedigree,character and style to run a winning program? Harbor yard- blah-blah-blah. That wasn't a tough one. I think taht's a ? Fr. kelly should ponder....


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Doris did the right thing -- JoeStag, 07:53:26 01/21/03 Tue

Doris did the right thing when he went public with his expectations of the Program and TOT. He did to take the heat off Time and it worked perfect. Remember when he went public with the CT Post articles...... the Stags were 6-15 and had just come off some devasting defeats.

He took to heat off TOT and basically said that HE will answer the questions. Doris was loyal to TOT, but he was also loyal to the University, and the thousandss of fans in the community that needed to know where this program was going. With Fairfield's move to the Bridgeport Arena, we cannot be a small time, and think all decisions need to stay within the rought iron railings on North Benson Road.

Doris was straight forward, honest, direct, consistent, accessible, and very objective..... what else can you ask of a person in that situation. He also set up some realistic goals that TOT has blown away this year, and at the end of last year. And I believe that he also got more involved, to help TOT improve as a coach. IMO, Doris handled the situation perfect.

The whole Blueprint of playing Tough, High Level Competition is not just the idea of the Men's Basketball program, but its the strategy of many of the High Tier programs at Fairfield..... all that is the result under the leadership of Gene Doris.

It just took a little longer for Men's Hoops.


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Doris did the right thing -- Threepointer, 11:22:24 01/21/03 Tue

Where are the thousands of fans that you talk about...? Are they hiding in the Harbor Yard? Or are they still in Alumni Hall? As for the high level of competition do you really believe that GD had anything to do with getting Duke on the schedule (or UCLA, et al. ). I believe TOT has had many good mentors like Coach K, Jim Boheim, Tommy A, who have had far more of an impact on his coaching career and style than high school basketball coach GD. I would bet the only advice he takes from GD is which airlines to use, which hotels FU can afford and which bus company is available that week. Take a closer look at the role of this AD and then maybe you would understand. Thanks for your comments but I tend to disagree.


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Doris set the Criteria and has been very objective -- Bridgeport, 08:49:35 01/21/03 Tue

3 pointer---your foot was on the end line with that last post.


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Doris is doing a good job -- JCM, 08:51:53 01/21/03 Tue

When Doris first took his job, I sent him a letter listing 12 issues I had with the way Fairfield was running its basketball program. I had sent such letters previously to the university without result. Doris however addressed these issues promptly correcting more than half the problems immediately and putting steps in place to address the remainder over the long term. While I don't agree with everything he's done, he certainly has done a better job than the previous AD who ignored all of these issues.


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[> [> [> Re: Make him finish the job before handing him any $. -- StagNation, 00:49:47 01/21/03 Tue

Deng Gai's suspension was not only warranted, it wasn't harsh enough. Be glad he's still in school.


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[> [> [> [> Re: Make him finish the job before handing him any $. -- Threepointer, 07:42:39 01/21/03 Tue

How do you know???
Was it worse than the St. Johns star who was arrested for the physical assault of a woman? ST. Johns didn't suspend him..He just played/plays on while the school conducts their investigation.


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[> [> [> [> [> Re: Make him finish the job before handing him any $. -- StagNation, 14:26:40 01/21/03 Tue

Do you want Fairfield to run their program like St. Johns? I do know what happened but I don't think I should post on this site. If you want to send me your email addy, I can tell you.


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