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A question to ponder or discuss. -- Bob Mitchell LM301, Mon, Nov 06 2017, 9:04:21 PST (ip68-14-7-47.ri.ri.cox.net/68.14.7.47)
Would it be fair to say that: " the Security Forces are to the Air Force as the Marine Corp was to the Navy"?
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- Newest Life Member Robert Curnick LM-952 -- Paul Shave, Fri, Nov 03 2017, 18:27:42 PDT (75-161-41-161.albq.qwest.net/75.161.41.161)
Gentlemen !! Lets Welcome Home our newest Life Member #952 Robert Curnick !!! He was a graduate of NKP and a K-9 handler. Currently he lives in Holland Mich.
WELCOME HOME !!
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- Re: Request for Information - Pleiku AB (May 1966 - May 1967) 633 Air Police Squadron -- James Oakley, Mon, Nov 06 2017, 9:14:44 PST (pool-96-255-247-176.washdc.fios.verizon.net/96.255.247.176)
I am trying to contact Steve Shelt regarding my request for information about a vehicle accident I was involved at Pleiku AB in 1966-1967. Steve please contact me.
Thank you
James Oakley
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- Vietnam Memorial "Wall of Faces" -- Mike Kennedy, 3rd SPS Bien Hoa 69-70, LM #35, Sun, Nov 05 2017, 8:40:01 PST (NoHost/47.152.54.118)
I am looking for some help! I have taken on a project for the California State Council of Vietnam Veterans of America to find missing photos for California veterans listed on the Vietnam Veterans Memorial's Wall of Faces. Currently about 8-10 percent of the 58,318 on the Wall do not have photos attached to their files. There are 433 Californians who are missing photos. I discovered that one of those is one of our own.
SUPNET, RICHARD ARELLANO
A1C - Air Force - Regular
19 year old Single, Malayan, Male
Born on Mar 17, 1952
From SAN FRANCISCO, CALIFORNIA
483d SPS, Cam Ranh Bay AB
His tour of duty began on Jan 07, 1971
Casualty was on Sep 23, 1971
in KHANH HOA, SOUTH VIETNAM
Non Hostile GROUND CASUALTY
ACCIDENTAL SELF-DESTRUCTION
Body was recovered
Religion - ROMAN CATHOLIC
Panel 02W - Line 24
I thought I would put this up here to see if any of our brothers might be able to help locate a photo for Richard. If anyone can help, please contact me. If you are a California veteran and would like to help locate photos for Vietnam veterans from your area, I can provide you with a roster of those who are missing photos.
Thanks in advance for any and all assistance.
Mike Kennedy
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Newest Life Member Edward Questell LM-951 -- Paul Shave, Fri, Nov 03 2017, 11:30:44 PDT (75-161-41-161.albq.qwest.net/75.161.41.161)
Gentlemen, Please Welcome Home the newest Life member #951 Edward Questell ! After coming to the reunion at Lackland he still decided that he should permanently join the VSPA group !!! He is ANOTHER of the graduates from TSN. He now lives in the Houston area looking to have the quiet life...
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- Re: Newest Life Member Edward Questell LM-951 -- Charles Penley, 377th CSPS, Tan Son NHut, Fri, Nov 03 2017, 14:39:52 PDT (24-159-63-23.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com/24.159.63.23)
- Re: Newest Life Member Edward Questell LM-951 -- Terry Sasek BT 68-69 LM#687, Sat, Nov 04 2017, 0:14:55 PDT (45-18-130-185.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net/45.18.130.185)
- Re: Newest Life Member Edward Questell LM-951 -- Gary Walters, Sat, Nov 04 2017, 13:20:01 PDT (67-60-130-9.cpe.cableone.net/67.60.130.9)
- Re: Newest Life Member Edward Questell LM-951 -- Bob Mitchell LM301, Sun, Nov 05 2017, 6:20:13 PST (ip68-14-7-47.ri.ri.cox.net/68.14.7.47)
- hom -- fred mueller, Sat, Nov 04 2017, 17:16:14 PDT (108-231-70-136.lightspeed.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net/108.231.70.136)
Today November 4 2017 I returned home from Danang Vietnam a
Young airmen at the age of 19. It was quite an experience!!
JUST wanted to thank to all the Airmen that I served with. 50 years has past but the Ghost of Vietnam will be with us forever. This will conclude my messages. Wish all of you the best!!!
Tiger flight 366 sec police
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- home -- Fred Mueller, Sat, Nov 04 2017, 20:10:59 PDT (108-231-70-136.lightspeed.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net/108.231.70.136)
Sorry for the post it should have said November 4 1967! A little emotional tonite!!
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- New LM !! Richard Roberts LM-950 -- Paul Shave, Fri, Oct 27 2017, 18:15:20 PDT (75-173-17-161.albq.qwest.net/75.173.17.161)
Gentlemen!! Lets WELCOME HOME our newest LM !! He is Richard Roberts and his LM #is 950 !! He is a graduate of TSN 66-67. He lives now in FL trying to keep warm.
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- Re: New LM !! Richard Roberts LM-950 -- Bob Mitchell LM301, Sat, Oct 28 2017, 16:24:39 PDT (ip68-109-31-28.ri.ri.cox.net/68.109.31.28)
- Re: New LM !! Richard Roberts LM-950 -- Terry Sasek BT 68-69 LM#687, Sat, Oct 28 2017, 16:48:54 PDT (45-18-130-185.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net/45.18.130.185)
- Re: New LM !! Richard Roberts LM-950 -- Jaime A. Lleras - Binh Thuy, '70, Mon, Oct 30 2017, 11:13:47 PDT (cpe-172-74-241-19.sc.res.rr.com/172.74.241.19)
- Life Member passes -- Donald E. Dinubilo, Fri, Oct 27 2017, 12:11:15 PDT (NoHost/47.149.138.176)
Sad to report of my brother Vic, VSPA LM 908, passing last Sunday. He battled cancer for the past 18 months. He requested that there not be a memorial service, his ashes to be spread in the ocean. He was one of the first dozen AP's to be stationed at Phan Rang in late 1965. A Panther forever. RIP
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Re: Life Member passes -- Steve Gattis, Fri, Oct 27 2017, 13:52:56 PDT (h118.68.20.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net/98.20.68.118)
- Re: Life Member passes -- Paul Shave, Fri, Oct 27 2017, 16:40:59 PDT (75-173-17-161.albq.qwest.net/75.173.17.161)
- Re: Life Member passes -- Jack Jobes, (Sad), Sat, Oct 28 2017, 3:57:49 PDT (c-73-38-16-134.hsd1.ct.comcast.net/73.38.16.134)
- Re: Life Member passes -- Terry Sasek BT 68-69 LM#687, Sat, Oct 28 2017, 16:52:30 PDT (45-18-130-185.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net/45.18.130.185)
- Re: Life Member passes -- Jaime A. Lleras - Binh Thuy, '70, Mon, Oct 30 2017, 11:16:34 PDT (cpe-172-74-241-19.sc.res.rr.com/172.74.241.19)
- Request for Information - Pleiku AB (May 1966 - May 1967) 633 Air Police Squadron -- James Oakley, Sat, Sep 23 2017, 13:03:31 PDT (pool-96-255-247-176.washdc.fios.verizon.net/96.255.247.176)
Hello,
I was assigned to the 633rd Air Police Squadron in May 1966. I am writing this email to solicit information re-guarding an incident that occurred during my tour. Late one afternoon the base was put on alert due to VC activity near the perimeter that the AB shared with Camp Holloway. Approximately 20 guys and I jumped onto the back of a flatbed truck in the barracks area that was to take up to Central Security Control (CSC) where the armory was located so that we could pick up our weapons and move out to the perimeter to secure the base. The driver took a turn too fast and threw all of the people on the back of the truck onto the roadway. Many of us were hurt but we had to move to the perimeter so we got back onto the truck and continued to CSC. I need help from anyone who remembers this incident or was a part of the vehicle accident, that remembers the date, and any names of the people involved.
Any information will appreciated.
Thanks for your assistance.
James L. Oakley
MSGT USAF Retired
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- Erylce Needs HELP!! -- Paul Shave (smile), Thu, Oct 26 2017, 16:53:14 PDT (75-173-17-161.albq.qwest.net/75.173.17.161)
Erylce Pekas has passed this on to me for some assistance from a vet in the Phoenix area (maybe a snowbird?).
you contact her or me if you can help
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What I'm looking for is a veteran who would be willing to help us with our Veteran's Day ceremony
at the place I occasionally work. It's a Senior Living Community in Scottsdale called Tuscany at
McCormick Ranch, just south of Shea and 90th street. Normally, our chauffeur did this job, but he
unexpectedly passed away this past year. Our activities director (who is a good, good friend of mine)
is battling stage 4 cancer so she is unable to hunt for a replacement.
I just need a Veteran who would be able to stand at attention and salute the flag, possibly wear a
military hat or as much of his uniform as he can get into. Our audience is made up mostly of WWII
Veterans and their wives or widows, and this little ceremony means a lot to them. It will take place
about 11am on the 11th of November.
Any suggestions as to who might do this for me?
Erlyce
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- VFW Magazine Cover -- Gary Jones, LM-363, Tue, Oct 24 2017, 9:12:38 PDT (cpe-172-75-49-67.carolina.res.rr.com/172.75.49.67)
I just received my VFW Magazine and the cover is a Security Forces MWD handler.
The cover is one of a collection of photos, done by a member of my VFW Post. She was medically retired, after being wounded during her 2nd tour in Iraq. The VA Hospital has a great collection of her photos, lining the corridor, called the "Hall of Heroes." Stacy's goal is to photograph Veterans in all 50 States. So far, she has done about 30.
Some of you may have met the "Cover Girl" (SRA Colburn) at Lackland, during the Reunion.
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Boot pictures -- Paul Shave, Mon, Oct 23 2017, 8:01:41 PDT (71-36-53-202.albq.qwest.net/71.36.53.202)
For all you guys out there that are looking for a Lackland pic from long ago of your boot camp flight
http://www.bmtflightphotos.af.mil/
These go way back but from sooooo long ago i doubt that When STeve Gattis or Steve Hall went to lackland that they will have a picture of them chasing dinosaurs off the parade grounds !!!
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- You are not alone non-believers! -- Ken de Russy (Rational thinker), Wed, Oct 11 2017, 23:55:00 PDT (NoHost/172.92.243.161)
Things are changing at Joint Base San Antonio-Lackland. Who knows, maybe one day I could even be welcomed into the Vietnam Security Police Facebook Group! I know it sounds crazy but it COULD happen!
Surveys, studies and polls conducted in recent years suggest about a third of Americans are non-religious. I suspect that it may be a far larger number closer to 40% but for the social stigmatization of anything that smacks of atheism. This article says that OVER A QUARTER of all Lackland trainees that attend "religious' services are attending a rapidly growing Secular Humanist service that was first instituted in 2013.
http://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/Humanist-services-at-Lackland-raise-eyebrows-12245118.php?t=35efada26facd54814&cmpid#photo-14267243
Maybe someone at the reunion can attend services and give us a report.
Freedom of conscience is central to freedom and American values. It is great to see the growing acceptance of diverse world views. This freedom is what we fought for. Thank you all for your service to defending our Constitutional ideals.
Ken
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Re: Prefer Areligious or Agnostic -- Pat Dunne, Thu, Oct 12 2017, 20:33:09 PDT (108-220-25-190.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net/108.220.25.190)
- Re: You are not alone non-believers! -- Larry Gramps LM 401, Sat, Oct 14 2017, 6:33:05 PDT (dpc6744240066.direcpc.com/67.44.240.66)
- Re: You are not alone non-believers! -- Newell Swartz, Sat, Oct 14 2017, 14:43:05 PDT (ip68-110-98-218.ph.ph.cox.net/68.110.98.218)
- Re: You are not alone non-believers! -- Don Graham, Mon, Oct 23 2017, 6:16:48 PDT (24.229.253.227.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net/24.229.253.227)
- R&R -- Terry Sasek BT 68-69 LM#687, Fri, Oct 20 2017, 5:40:10 PDT (45-18-130-185.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net/45.18.130.185)
Forty eight years ago today I left Binh Thuy for Saigon to leave for my R&R, I was going to go to Bangkok, Thailand but as I was processing in the R&R center a M/Sgt. called out the names of 10 Air Force airmen and told us to follow him to another room. When we got in there he asked us if any of us would consider changing our choice to go on R&R leave to Bangkok, Thailand, he said that we didn't have to change our choice and that if we didn't want to change our choice we could go back out and wait in the other room for our travel orders. Six of the ten airmen left, after they were gone he told us that we had made an excellent choice by remaining in that room because they had just reopened the option to go to Sydney, Australia for our R&R leave, I thought I had died and gone to heaven upon arriving over in Australia. Such a beautiful country, great and welcoming people, the friendliest I had ever met to that point in my life, and best of all beautiful round eyed women after all that time down in the Mekong Delta. Where did you guys go on your R&R's? Terry Sasek BT68-69 LM687
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- Re: R&R -- Steven Hall (Hall), Fri, Oct 20 2017, 8:41:59 PDT (76-234-224-141.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net/76.234.224.141)
- Re: R&R -- Bruce Ross, Fri, Oct 20 2017, 8:42:01 PDT (135-158.207-68.elmore.res.rr.com/68.207.158.135)
- Re: R&R -- James (Mike) Stafford, Fri, Oct 20 2017, 10:38:31 PDT (66-216-254-156.dhcp.stcd.mn.charter.com/66.216.254.156)
- Re: R&R -- Robert L Langston, Fri, Oct 20 2017, 13:10:03 PDT (c-73-137-78-208.hsd1.ga.comcast.net/73.137.78.208)
- Re: R&R -- Ken de Russy (Rational Thinker), Fri, Oct 20 2017, 16:22:04 PDT (NoHost/172.92.243.161)
Re: R&R -- paul Shave, Sat, Oct 21 2017, 13:24:33 PDT (71-36-53-202.albq.qwest.net/71.36.53.202)
- Re: R&R -- Charles Edwards (R&R), Sun, Oct 22 2017, 15:42:32 PDT (c-73-244-221-82.hsd1.fl.comcast.net/73.244.221.82)
- Thanks -- John (Jackson LM 149), Sun, Oct 22 2017, 12:32:21 PDT (c-66-235-45-173.npv.wa.customer.broadstripe.net/66.235.45.173)
I just received the award my brother (Nugent) accepted for me at the reunion. I want thank my brothers in arms. Hope to see you all next year. Stay strong...
John Jackson NKP 69/79
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- FINAL GUARDMOUNT; Wayne Rakestraw, Devil Flight -- Lew Goldberg, Mon, Jul 10 2017, 18:14:46 PDT (173-20-167-185.client.mchsi.com/173.20.167.185)
Wayne was a hooch brother and Comm Plotter for Devil Flight from Oct 68 to Oct 69. We did AZR together and I was lucky to serve our year together. Rest in Peace Brother.
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- Re: FINAL GUARDMOUNT; Wayne Rakestraw, Devil Flight -- Terry Sasek BT 68-69 LM#687, Tue, Jul 11 2017, 14:52:03 PDT (45-18-130-185.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net/45.18.130.185)
- Re: FINAL GUARDMOUNT; Wayne Rakestraw, Devil Flight -- Steve Gattis, Thu, Jul 13 2017, 9:37:58 PDT (h199.34.20.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net/98.20.34.199)
- Re: FINAL GUARDMOUNT; Wayne Rakestraw, Devil Flight -- Gary Jones, LM-363 (:-(), Thu, Jul 13 2017, 13:37:54 PDT (cpe-172-75-49-67.carolina.res.rr.com/172.75.49.67)
- Re: FINAL GUARDMOUNT; Wayne Rakestraw, Devil Flight -- William (Pete) Piazza, LM #141, Wed, Jul 19 2017, 10:44:00 PDT (ip68-12-197-81.ok.ok.cox.net/68.12.197.81)
- Re: FINAL GUARDMOUNT; Wayne Rakestraw, Devil Flight -- KERMIT V PAYTON T (Great friend), Thu, Oct 19 2017, 7:23:54 PDT (c-73-24-216-219.hsd1.az.comcast.net/73.24.216.219)
- Posted by Admin on Air/Security Police/Sec Forces Facebook Page -- Pat Dunne, Sat, Oct 14 2017, 21:16:34 PDT (108-220-25-190.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net/108.220.25.190)
This was posted by admin of our career field Facebook page out of Lackland. Another case study of the divisivness fomented by contraversial issue.
Members, We respect the rights of players to "protest" and we respect the rights of veterans to "take offense and counter protest." Since this is a personal decision and many times an emotional topic, your Admin team has decided to stop allowing posts on this subject. We have deleted two "boycott the NFL" threads in the last two days as members have made numerous political comments and made personal attacks on fellow members. While we understand your feelings, members cannot keep politics and emotions out if it and therefore we will not allow further post WRT to this topic. We ask that members respect the decision of Admin and post about this topic on their personal pages or other sites that will entertain this topic.
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- Reunion -- Jack Smith, Fri, Oct 13 2017, 16:11:30 PDT (172-2-186-102.lightspeed.clmboh.sbcglobal.net/172.2.186.102)
Hey Terry Morris please contact me about the reunion photos. Thanks Jack
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- Reunion photos -- Steven Hall (Hall), Tue, Oct 10 2017, 21:37:24 PDT (76-234-224-141.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net/76.234.224.141)
The photos that I took at the reunion are now posted in a folder on my website.
You can view them and download them by going to this web address:
www.stevenhallstudio.com/2017vspa
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- New Idea -- Hramos, Fri, Sep 29 2017, 21:34:00 PDT (10.159-117-172-net.sccoast.net/159.117.172.10)
This is not "fake news". Superintendent Lt. Gen. Jay Silveria gathered all 4,000 cadets in a hall Thursday so they could hear one message: "Treat people with dignity and respect — or get out". This is my kind of leader. Look it up. Excellent "New idea".
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- Regarding Jackie -- Hramos926@verizon.net, Mon, Oct 09 2017, 17:56:37 PDT (190.226-net.sccoast.net/66.153.226.190)
Jackie
Please see my response to your recent post.
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- Resignation! -- Jackie R. kays, Thu, Oct 05 2017, 6:12:48 PDT (NoHost/64.188.132.116)
Resignation
To all concerned, as of this moment, (With a heavy heart) I hereby resign as a member of the Vietnam Security Police Association. (This decision was a very difficult one.)
I have been a member for more years than I can remember and have enjoyed every moment of it. But, due to a recent incident, where I posted my opinion on the VSPA B.B. regarding ANYONE, who disrespected the flag of this great country, the post became controversial and was removed from the B.B. I was insulted in the post (Called an Airhead, which means stupid where I come from) this individual is a VSPA Officer. A total absents of dignity and respect! I waited for an apology from the Officer or someone in the leadership. Regretfully, the apology never came! I will not be maligned by anyone! I have never stooped to calling any member of the VSPA derogatory names! I am not anger, I am deeply disappointed!
Over the years, I have made many true and loyal friends in the VSPA of which I’d like to mention just a few now: Don Poss, a young A/2c Dog man, whom I first met on a monsoon night in November of 1965, he was working a post just off the runway, at DaNang AFB. He had a mean dog, named: Blacky. (Don has been a good friend for years)
Glenn Wilson (A true solider) Newell Shultz, (A man of his word) Steve Gattis (whose tireless efforts obtained the citation that I received, which I’m deeply thankful for.) Jack Smith (A true gentleman and good friend) Pat Houseworth (Tougher than nails…smile) Sam Lewis (Who always tells it like it is) Bruce Ross (An Officer, gentleman and true friend,) Howard Yates, (A real poet, and true friend) Terry Sasek, (a friend that you can always depend on) Lew Goldberg (an honest friend, that’s always tells it like it is) Bud Owens, Terrell Morris, Bob Mitchell, Larry Gramps, Ken de Russy, Monk, Mike Kennedy, Van Digby, John Paul Coakley, Steve Ray , Ramps and many others! I salute each of you, for your loyal friendship over the years!
Now, I would like to mention just a few facts on my behalf: A few years back, I composed and authored the book entitled: Security Police, Vietnam & Thailand War Stories. I donated all the royalties from the book to the VSPA, which over a period time, amounted to several hundred dollars. I also authored: Badge of Honor in War and Peace. I want to thank everyone, who submitted stories for these books!
Incident: At approximately 0200 hours on November 21st of 1965, I was the NCOIC of a perimeter patrol at DaNang AFB. When a C-121 flare ship crash landed in a minefield, adjacent to the runway. I informed CSC that I was going to make my way to the down craft, to attempt to help the crew out of the craft. The plane had broken into several sections. I made my way to the nose section, entered the cockpit and help the copilot from the craft, (His jaw was broken and he had bitten through his tongue, and was bleeding profusely) it was raining and very muddy, I fell from the cockpit and was injured (Back and right knee) I spent a month in the hospital in Japan and eight months in the hospital at Eglin AFB, Florida. I met a medical board and was medically discharged in April of 1966. (I had to wear a steel back brace for over a year after discharge and still suffer lower back pain to this day) Seventeen years in the Air Force gone! The Copilot was 1st Lt. Roger Rucker, who eventually became Col. Rucker. Col. Rucker has on two occasions come all the way from South Carolina to Missouri to visit with me. He’s thanked me numerous times for helping him out of the down aircraft. We stay in contact to this day. I was recommended for a Bronze star by M/Sgt. Warren E. Oliff (Flight Commander at that time) for my rescue efforts. But, for some unknown reason, the recommendation never reached Air Force.
Finally, in 2015 (Fifty year later) I was awarded the Air Force commendation medal for valor, thanks to Steve Gattis’ long efforts and others. I have posted several war poems on the VSPA B.B over the years. I mention these things, to give the reader some background of events and achievements during my long tour in the VSPA! I thank each of you again, and now it’s time to say Goodbye! It’s with great sadness, that I feel obligated to resign. I hope each of you will understand my frustration and feelings, regarding this matter.
Your OLD jungle buddy,
Jackie R. Kays
S/Sgt. USAF (Med. Retired)
Veteran of the Korean and Vietnam Wars. (I will be 85 years old in April of next year)
It’s been my pleasure, privilege and honor to have marched in cadence with each of you, all these years!
“I am forever honored, for I have marched with heroes!”
Anyone that would like to stay in contact with me: Wanda@windjammercable.net
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- Re: Resignation! -- Claude J. Hebert LM # 34, Thu, Oct 05 2017, 8:29:47 PDT (c-73-2-186-153.hsd1.la.comcast.net/73.2.186.153)
Re: Resignation! -- Terry Sasek BT 68-69 LM#687, Thu, Oct 05 2017, 9:27:17 PDT (45-18-130-185.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net/45.18.130.185)
- Re: Resignation! -- Bob Mitchell LM301, Thu, Oct 05 2017, 15:37:34 PDT (ip68-109-31-28.ri.ri.cox.net/68.109.31.28)
- Re: Resignation! -- Ken de Russy (Rational thinker), Thu, Oct 05 2017, 23:47:29 PDT (NoHost/172.92.243.161)
- Re: Resignation! -- Bruce Ross, Fri, Oct 06 2017, 18:49:10 PDT (135-158.207-68.elmore.res.rr.com/68.207.158.135)
- Re: Resignation! -- Larry Gramps LM 401, Sat, Oct 07 2017, 7:27:10 PDT (dpc6744240054.direcpc.com/67.44.240.54)
- Re: Resignation! -- Newell Swartz, Sun, Oct 08 2017, 3:05:29 PDT (ip68-98-35-184.ph.ph.cox.net/68.98.35.184)
Re: Resignation! -- Bob Mitchell LM301, Sun, Oct 08 2017, 6:10:36 PDT (ip68-109-31-28.ri.ri.cox.net/68.109.31.28)
- Re: Resignation! -- Joe Taragowski, Sun, Oct 08 2017, 9:07:27 PDT (c-73-219-222-168.hsd1.ct.comcast.net/73.219.222.168)
- Re: Resignation! -- John Paul Coakley, Sun, Oct 08 2017, 22:34:37 PDT (c-24-9-154-104.hsd1.co.comcast.net/24.9.154.104)
- On The Road Again: -- Junious B. Owens, Mon, Oct 02 2017, 12:31:33 PDT (c-75-67-107-229.hsd1.nh.comcast.net/75.67.107.229)
Well in about 10 hrs I will be on the road again. (Actually in the air) Oh how I hate airports. Should arrive in San Antoine about 11;00 hrs local. Looking forward to seeing everyone at the reunion. Also, the graduation of the academy cadets. Will look forward to checking out the online reunion when I get back. The Pease Greeters will be busy while I am gone. They will welcome the 200th flight for the year of 2017 before I return. Pete, in case I forget to tell you at the reunion, Chief Mac said to tell you to stay out of trouble. Saw him on Saturday heading over. Bud Owens, Binh-Thuy, 66/67.
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- Urgent: Jack & Roberta -- Junious B. Owens, Mon, Oct 09 2017, 6:46:49 PDT (c-75-67-107-229.hsd1.nh.comcast.net/75.67.107.229)
Please contact me ASAP. H/Ph: 603-778-1990. We are supposed to have a Troop flight this afternoon. So If you call and no answer, Just leave your name. I have a number identifier so will call you back when I get home. It was good to see you and everyone at the reunion. Hope you had a safe trip home. Bud Owens, Binh-Thuy, 66/67.
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- Ken de Russy/Donated laptop computer -- Mike Kouvelis 35th SPS 69/70, Wed, Oct 04 2017, 13:38:50 PDT (c-67-175-197-162.hsd1.il.comcast.net/67.175.197.162)
We've had contact recently with a single Mom struggling to make ends meet in this rough economic climate we're emerging from. I recalled that Ken de Russy had offered laptops to persons in need and contacted him with this matter. He sprang into action and sent her a really nice fully updated, fully loaded fast machine at no cost to her. This has helped her and her son to submit applications/resumes to prospective employers. They live in an area that is distant from public amenities so its been a game changer for her. A heartfelt thanks and a pat on the back for a man of deed.
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- Message post on the FFZ -- Jackie R. Kays, Fri, Sep 29 2017, 18:06:26 PDT (NoHost/64.188.132.116)
Please take the time to read my post on the FFZ entitled "Disrespect!"
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RULES OF USE FOR THE VSPA BULLETIN BOARD AND THE FACEBOOK VSPA GROUP -- STEVE GATTIS, Fri, Sep 29 2017, 15:48:20 PDT (h11.42.20.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net/98.20.42.11)
Hello to all.
Some of the messages recently posted and removed were in direct violation of the Rules of Use for all bulletin boards made available by VOY. The VSPA does not own this bulletin board. Our free use of this bulletin board mandates that we comply with the rules established by VOY. Additionally, the VSPA has established rules in order to comply with IRS Rules regarding political activity by tax exempt entities.
The messages that were removed contained personal attacks and profanity from one VSPA member to another that cannot be tolerated, condoned or ignored. Therefore, the following Rules of Use are printed again for those who have forgotten how to treat each other with respect. Failure to follow the rules of use will jeopardize the VSPA relationship with VOY and result in the suspension of bulletin board privileges, not only for the VSPA by VOY, but also for the VSPA members who violate the Rules of Use so that the VSPA can continue to maintain a friendly, family oriented bulletin board.
Active duty personnel conduct research through our web site and this bulletin board. The children and grandchildren of those who served with us and have since died, consistently ask questions about our service in Vietnam and Thailand so that they can possibly connect with someone who knew their loved one. Please respect each other and the familial need of our families to find our about our service.
VSPA is a Family Rated Awards winning 1.15GBs+ nonprofit site averaging 1,500+ hits daily visitors since 1996.VSPA has two bulletin boards; both public and members-only.
The purpose for a public access VSPA Bulletin Board is to provide a forum for Vietnam Veterans and members of the Vietnam Security Police Association, Inc. (USAF), and their friends and families, and for the general public to discuss concerns and issues related to the war years. These discussions are hopefully educational, thought provoking, and civil in content. Several thousand visitors will read your message, including students and researchers. I especially encourage Vietvets to help educate these students who are asking for information about the war.
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- New Member William Walker (Bill) -- Paul Shave (happy), Sun, Oct 01 2017, 15:29:32 PDT (174-28-120-128.albq.qwest.net/174.28.120.128)
Gentlemen, Welcome Home a new member, William Walker. He was a graduate of Tuy Hoa of 1968.
WELCOME HOME Bill Walker
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- To the general membership -- Jackie R. Kays, Sun, Oct 01 2017, 22:21:17 PDT (NoHost/64.188.132.116)
To the General membership;
This post is regarding the response to my recent post entitled “Respect!” by a VSPA Officer.
I have been informed that his post was an accident and meant for another post. If, this is indeed a fact, I have
not received an apology from anyone, and I think that speaks volumes in itself! Not only was I insulted,
but my post was removed from the B.B.!
Enough said!
Jackie
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- Modeling behavior -- Ken de Russy (Offense is taken, not given), Fri, Sep 29 2017, 13:10:36 PDT (NoHost/172.92.243.161)
It is said we should model the behavior we wish to see. I continue to hope for intelligent, mature conversation constrained only by the bounds of civility. Anyone care to join in?
Our flag means different things to different people. Along with honoring those who founded our country and those who fought in support of our Constitution it should remind us that the United States was the first country founded on ideas. The Enlightenment thinkers had discovered and defined the idea of individual rights as the superior alternative to being the property of the state or society. Our founding fathers gave us a system that explicitly acknowledged those individual rights. Our inalienable rights to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" were guaranteed by the language of the Bill of Rights. Those who have served at least since WW2 have all sworn the Oath of Enlistment. "I, (state name of enlistee), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice." Athough the period of enlistment is time delimited most veterans feel forever bound at least to that portion "I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same". At the time I made that solemn pledge I had only the most simplistic appreciation for what it meant. My pledge to bear true faith and alligiance to our Constitution requires of me, at least, to understand and live those great principles. Failing to do so dishonors me, all those who fought for the Constitution, and those great founding fathers who were genius enough to construct an unprecedented system of liberty. What kind of man would I be if I was not able to intelligently define and express these ideas?
James Madison, writing of freedom of conscience, reminds us that our rights are not "granted" to us, not by government or society. This passage is from "The Greeks and America’s Founding Fathers Part 2: Learning What Not to Do" by Timothy Sandefur.
“Wherever the real power in a government lies, there is the danger of oppression,” Madison wrote. “In our Governments the real power lies in the majority of the Community, and the invasion of private rights is chiefly to be apprehended, not from acts of Government contrary to the sense of its constituents, but from acts in which the Government is the mere instrument of the major number of the constituents.”
But for Madison and his allies, toleration was not enough. Instead, they insisted on religious liberty. Madison’s friend Thomas Paine denounced the idea of toleration: “Toleration is not the opposite of intoleration, but is the counterfeit of it,” he wrote. “Both are despotisms. The one assumes to itself the right of withholding liberty of conscience, and the other of granting it.” George Washington agreed. “It is now no more that toleration is spoken of,” he wrote, “as if it was by the indulgence of one class of people, that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights.” In the United States, “[a]ll possess alike liberty of conscience.”
The purpose of government is to protect individual freedom, not to empower the majority to do its will. If the majority is subject to no will but its own, then they are essentially above the law.
Offense is taken, not given, and that offending is sometimes necessary; not only to point out absurdities, but also to fight for complete freedom to criticize.
Ken
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- Ken Burns’ Vietnam Documentary: A Critique -- Chaplain Jim, Sat, Sep 30 2017, 18:11:02 PDT (pool-71-163-152-228.washdc.east.verizon.net/71.163.152.228)
Be skeptical of Ken Burns' documentary: The Vietnam War
by Terry Garlock
Some months ago I and a dozen other local veterans attended a screening at the Woodruff Arts Center in Atlanta - preview of a new documentary on The Vietnam War by Ken Burns and Lynn Novick. The screening was a one hour summation of this 10-part documentary, 18 hours long.
The series began showing on PBS Sunday Sep 17, and with Burns' renowned talent mixing photos, video clips and compelling mood music in documentary form, the series promises to be compelling to watch. That doesn't mean it tells the truth.
For many years I have been presenting to high school classes a 90 minute session titled The Myths and Truths of the Vietnam War. One of my opening comments is, "The truth about Vietnam is bad enough without twisting it all out of shape with myths, half-truths and outright lies from the anti-war left."The overall message to students is advising them to learn to think for themselves, be informed by reading one newspaper that leans left, one that leans right, and be skeptical of TV news.
Part of my presentation is showing them four iconic photos from Vietnam, aired publicly around the world countless times to portray America's evil involvement in Vietnam. I tell the students "the rest of the story" excluded by the news media about each photo, then ask, "Wouldn't you want the whole story before you decide for yourself what to think?"
One of those photos is the summary execution of a Viet Cong soldier in Saigon, capital city of South Vietnam, during the battles of the Tet Offensive in 1968. Our dishonorable enemy negotiated a cease-fire for that holiday then on that holiday attacked in about 100 places all over the country. Here's what I tell students about the execution in the photo.
Enemy execution by South Vietnam's Chief of National Police, 1968
"Before you decide what to think, here's what the news media never told us. This enemy soldier had just been caught after he murdered a Saigon police officer, the officer's wife, and the officer's six children. The man pulling the trigger was Nguyen Ngoc Loan, South Vietnam's Chief of National Police. His actions were supported by South Vietnamese law, and by the Geneva Convention since he was an un-uniformed illegal combatant. Now, you might still be disgusted by the summary execution, but wouldn't you want all the facts before you decide what to think?"
The other one-sided stories about iconic photos I use are a nine year old girl named Kim Phuc, running down a road after her clothes were burned off by a napalm bomb, a lady kneeling by the body of a student at Kent State University, and a helicopter on top of a building with too many evacuees trying to climb aboard. Each one had only the half of the story told by news media during the war, the half that supported the anti-war narrative.
Our group of vets left the Ken Burns documentary screening . . . disappointed. As one example, all four of the photos I use were shown, with only the anti-war narrative. Will the whole truth be told in the full 18 hours? I have my doubts but we'll see.
On the drive home with Mike King, Bob Grove and Terry Ernst, Ernst asked the other three of us who had been in Vietnam, "How does it make you feel seeing those photos and videos?" I answered, "I just wish for once they would get it right."
Will the full documentary show John Kerry's covert meeting in Paris with the leadership of the Viet Cong while he was still an officer in the US Naval Reserve and a leader in the anti-war movement? Will it show how Watergate crippled the Republicans and swept Democrats into Congress in 1974, and their rapid defunding of South Vietnamese promised support after Americans had been gone from Vietnam two years? Will it show Congress violating America's pledge to defend South Vietnam if the North Vietnamese ever broke their pledge to never attack the south? Will it portray America's shame in letting our ally fall, the tens of thousands executed for working with Americans, the hundreds of thousands who perished fleeing in overpacked, rickety boats, the million or so sent to brutal re-education camps? Will it show the North Vietnamese victors bringing an influx from the north to take over South Vietnam's businesses, the best jobs, farms, all the good housing, or committing the culturally ruthless sin of bulldozing grave monuments of the South Vietnamese?
Will Burns show how the North Vietnamese took the city of Hue during the 1968 Tet Offensive, bringing lists of names of political leaders, business owners, doctors, nurses, teachers and other "enemies of the people," and how they went from street to street, dragging people out of their homes, and that in the aftermath of the Battle of Hue, only when thousands of people were missing and the search began did they find the mass graves where they had been tied together and buried alive?
Will Burns show how America, after finally withdrawing from Vietnam and shamefully standing by while our ally was brutalized, did nothing while next door in Cambodia the Communists murdered two million of their own people as they tried to mimic Mao's "worker paradise" in China?
Will Burns show how American troops conducted themselves with honor, skill and courage, never lost a major battle, and helped the South Vietnamese people in many ways like building roads and schools, digging wells, teaching improved farming methods and bringing medical care where it had never been seen before? Will he show that American war crimes, exaggerated by the left, were even more rare in Vietnam than in WWII? Will he show how a naïve young Jane Fonda betrayed her country with multiple radio broadcasts from North Vietnam, pleading with American troops to refuse their orders to fight, and calling American pilots and our President war criminals?
Color me doubtful about these and many other questions.
Being in a war doesn't make anyone an expert on the geopolitical issues, it's a bit like seeing history through a straw with your limited view. But my perspective has come from many years of reflection and absorbing a multitude of facts and opinions, because I was interested. My belief is that America's involvement in Vietnam was a noble cause trying to stop the spread of Communism in Southeast Asia, while it had spread its miserable oppression in Eastern Europe and was gaining traction in Central America, Africa and other places around the world. This noble cause was, indeed, screwed up to a fare-thee-well by the Pentagon and White House, which multiplied American casualties.
The tone of the screening was altogether different, that our part in the war was a sad mistake. It seemed like Burns and Novick took photos, video clips, artifacts and interviews from involved Americans, South Vietnamese, North Vietnamese, Viet Cong, civilians from south and north, reporters and others, threw it all in a blender to puree into a new form of moral equivalence. Good for spreading a thin layer of blame and innocence, not so good for finding the truth.
John M. Del Vecchio, author of The 13th Valley, a book considered by many Vietnam vets to be the literary touchstone of how they served and suffered in the jungles of Vietnam, has this to say about Burns' documentary:" Pretending to honor those who served while subtly and falsely subverting the reasons and justifications for that service is a con man's game . . . From a cinematic perspective it will be exceptional. Burns knows how to make great scenes. But through the lens of history it appears to reinforce a highly skewed narrative and to be an attempt to ossify false cultural memory. The lies and fallacies will be by omission, not by overt falsehoods."
I expect to see American virtue minimized, American missteps emphasized, to fit the left-leaning narrative about the Vietnam War that, to this day, prevents our country from learning the real lessons from that war.
When we came home from Vietnam, we thought the country had lost its mind. Wearing the uniform was for fools too dimwitted to escape service. Burning draft cards, protesting the war in ways that insulted our own troops was cool, as was fleeing to Canada.
America's current turmoil reminds me of those days, since so many of American traditional values are being turned upside down. Even saying words defending free speech on a university campus feels completely absurd, but here we are.
So Ken Burns' new documentary on the Vietnam War promises to solidify him as the documentary king, breathes new life into the anti-war message, and fits perfectly into the current practice of revising history to make us feel good.
Perhaps you will prove me wrong. Watch carefully, but I would advise a heavy dose of skepticism.
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Terry Garlock lives in Peachtree City, GA. He was a Cobra helicopter gunship pilot in the Vietnam War.
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- Transportation to Hotel -- Junious B. Owens, Mon, Sep 25 2017, 10:16:04 PDT (c-75-67-107-229.hsd1.nh.comcast.net/75.67.107.229)
Well, I see we have to take a taxi from the Airport to the Hotel. Is anyone arriving around noon on Tuesday, 3 Oct that would be interested in sharing a taxi. I have no Idea what the fare will be. Maybe someone from the Area can enlighten us on that. My Plane is due to arrive around 11:30 AM so it will be noon by the time I get baggage and ready for a taxi. Bud Owens, Binh-Thuy, 66/67.
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PEACE -- Richard Garcia, VSPA Treasurer, Sat, Sep 30 2017, 11:41:30 PDT (ool-944a2b2d.dyn.optonline.net/148.74.43.45)
Terry,
Sorry for the misunderstanding, and all that’s been going on in the BB.
Glad that your daughter and grand kids got back to the state safe.
Thank your son-in-law for staying and helping out the people in PR.
Richard Garcia
VSPA Treasurer
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- My Apology -- Jackie R. KAYS, Thu, Sep 28 2017, 23:38:37 PDT (NoHost/64.188.132.116)
This note is in regards to my post entitled "Disrespect".
I did not intend for the post to be controversial! I simply intend to state my honest feelings in regards to ANYONE that disrespects the Flag of the United States. I herby apologize to any member that may have been offended by the post!
Jackie R. Kays
S/Sgt. USAF
Med. Retired.
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- Re: My Apology -- Jack Smith, Fri, Sep 29 2017, 3:33:19 PDT (172-2-186-102.lightspeed.clmboh.sbcglobal.net/172.2.186.102)
- Re: My Apology -- Walt Myers, Fri, Sep 29 2017, 5:17:15 PDT (NoHost/107.72.164.77)
- Re: My Apology -- Larry Gramps, Fri, Sep 29 2017, 7:19:53 PDT (dpc6744240125.direcpc.com/67.44.240.125)
- Apology Accepted -- Pat Dunne, Fri, Sep 29 2017, 8:33:10 PDT (108-220-25-190.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net/108.220.25.190)
- Re: My Apology -- Richard Garcia, Fri, Sep 29 2017, 8:37:55 PDT (ool-944a2b2d.dyn.optonline.net/148.74.43.45)
- Jackie Kays' recent post regarding Disrespect -- Don Poss, Thu, Sep 28 2017, 19:18:21 PDT (cpe-104-173-38-232.socal.res.rr.com/104.173.38.232)
Gents,
It is a shame that some posts can touch a hot-button and trigger some inappropriate responses such as were attached to Jackie Kays' post. Jackie's message point was made and now I have removed the entire string because of the out of line remarks some made.
Don Poss
Communications Director/Webmaster
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- Caps -- Kenneth Benson, Sun, Sep 24 2017, 13:57:14 PDT (c-67-162-254-249.hsd1.de.comcast.net/67.162.254.249)
Just ordered two new hats with Security Badge. now he has six left
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- USAF Compound Danang -- Gary Bunney, Tue, Sep 26 2017, 15:24:36 PDT (NoHost/172.92.202.169)
At one time I saw on this site a "map" of the USAF Compound at Danang - '63-65 time frame. Does anyone know where I can find it? It was hand drawn, not a photo.
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- B52 Crash 1967 -- Ferd Mueller, Fri, Jul 07 2017, 13:03:14 PDT (108-231-70-136.lightspeed.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net/108.231.70.136)
Today 50 years ago July 7 1967 a B52 Crashed at Danang AB
5 Airmen Killed, One survived. I was working the back gate the old French Tower.
Please say a prayer for these brave Airmen.
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- Vehicles at the reunion -- Sheila Gervase-Cain - Hospitality Chairman, Fri, Sep 01 2017, 14:24:27 PDT (pool-72-88-91-128.bflony.fios.verizon.net/72.88.91.128)
Well it's that time again when I start to look for anyone who will have a vehicle at the reunion. I need 3 - 4 vehicles (hopefully a few trucks and/or vans) Tuesday morning October 3rd at around 10:30 am. Please contact me here or feel free to call me at 716-480-9101 if you can help. Thank you.
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- reunion -- Gary Walters, Sat, Sep 23 2017, 8:58:55 PDT (67-60-130-9.cpe.cableone.net/67.60.130.9)
I hope everyone has a great time at the reunion. My wife and I had every intention of attending our first reunion byt due to second back surgery in July we are unable to attend Please keep Mary-Anne in your prayers she is not doing as well as expected.We are coming along slowly.
Have great Reunion.
Gary PR-BH-68-69
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- Reunion -- Carl Essig CRB 68-69, Tue, Sep 19 2017, 13:26:24 PDT (pool-96-245-42-18.phlapa.fios.verizon.net/96.245.42.18)
This is my first reunion and I have not received my reunion package yet. Anyone know if it should have arrived by now? Thanks
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- Welcoming first time attendees -- Steven Hall, Wed, Sep 20 2017, 12:03:18 PDT (76-234-224-141.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net/76.234.224.141)
Welcome the first time attendees.
Keep an eye out for members that may be at the reunion for the first time.
If you see someone that "seems kinda of lost", ask them if they are there for the first time. If they are, help them to find the guys from the base they served on. You can really help to make the new attendees feel welcome by doing this.
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- Sobriety at the Reunion in San Antone -- John Paul Coakley, Wed, Sep 20 2017, 10:50:45 PDT (174-24-30-191.clsp.qwest.net/174.24.30.191)
Greetings to all ,as we are now exactly two weeks out from the start of the Reunion in San Antonio . For anyone who might be new to the VSPA or for anyone for whom this maybe your first Reunion or anyone new to Sobriety ;just want to let you know we have in VSPA the "We take Care of Our Own Group " of Friends of Bill W. This group came into being eleven years ago .We are here to be supportive of anyone whether in VSPA or in Our Sisterhood who may have sobriety concerns while attending our Reunion . At our Reunion we have Hospitality Suites and Open Bars and if this is a concern for you we have several of our members in VSPA who have long term sobriety and who have your back .We will be holding meetings at the Hotel during the course of the Reunion and we can also attend meetings outside in the San Antonio area. I personally regret not being able to attend the Reunion this year as I'm currently in the midst of relocating from LA to the East coast . I will however be available to anyone needing a sober ear to talk to by phone or e-mail :johnpaul1845@gmail.com ,or phone (818) 749 1749 . Your ,in person contact, at the Reunion is Rich Holstein (630)783-1456, e-mail Redhorse1950@sbcglobal.net . Rich has long term sobriety and is one of our founding members of our small but mighty group within VSPA . It is my experience that you can attend our VSPA Reunions and meet old friends , make new friends and stay sober and have a very fulfilling time . Enjoy and have a Great Reunion and know you can contact either myself or Rich 24/7 during the reunion or through out the course of the year.
Your Brother in VSPA & Sobriety ,
John Paul, LM396,Bien Hoa-Pleiku 65'-66'
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- Final Guaardmount -- Lew Goldberg, Mon, Sep 18 2017, 10:45:49 PDT (173-20-164-247.client.mchsi.com/173.20.164.247)
George F Cantwell from Ocala FL passed away on Jan 13,2017 from cancer. George served at Binh Thuy on Devil Flight from 1968 to 1969. I have a great photo of George in front of a Christmas tree at CSC. George worked for Lockheed Martin for over 30 years. Rest in Peace my Brother.
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- Vietnam on PBS -- Larry Gramps, Mon, Sep 18 2017, 8:46:40 PDT (dpc6744240111.direcpc.com/67.44.240.111)
Last night was the first of ten shows on Vietnam by Ken Burns. Don't know how everyone feels about documentary's but I have already found some interesting points. Just didn't want anyone who is interested to miss it, as its on PBS so viewable for everyone.
Larry Gramps LM 401 CRB 68-69
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- reunion -- John Risse, Tue, Aug 15 2017, 19:29:49 PDT (75-168-140-223.mpls.qwest.net/75.168.140.223)
Hey anyone from Pleiku going to reunion drop a line on bulletin board so we can see whats going on
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- Re: reunion -- Jack Smith, Tue, Aug 15 2017, 19:56:28 PDT (172-2-186-102.lightspeed.clmboh.sbcglobal.net/172.2.186.102)
- Re: reunion -- John Paul Coakley, Thu, Aug 17 2017, 0:01:53 PDT (99-60-176-174.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net/99.60.176.174)
- Re: reunion -- Steve Shelt, Sat, Aug 19 2017, 14:55:13 PDT (c-174-50-118-170.hsd1.ga.comcast.net/174.50.118.170)
- Re: reunion -- Steve Shelt, Sat, Aug 19 2017, 14:58:46 PDT (c-174-50-118-170.hsd1.ga.comcast.net/174.50.118.170)
- Re: reunion -- Jim (Gish), Sun, Aug 20 2017, 16:04:07 PDT (cpe-74-131-218-232.kya.res.rr.com/74.131.218.232)
- Pleiku Reunion -- Pat Dunne, Mon, Sep 18 2017, 20:03:11 PDT (108-220-25-190.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net/108.220.25.190)
- Binh Thuy Dinner at the 2017 Reunion -- Jaime A. Lleras - Binh Thuy, '70, Mon, Sep 11 2017, 10:17:59 PDT (cpe-172-74-241-19.sc.res.rr.com/172.74.241.19)
FYI for Binh Thuy brothers attending the VSPA 2017 reunion.
Last month I sent out an email to all the BT brothers with addresses on the BY roster. Of the some 140 members, I have currently received 10 'YES' and 15 'NO'. In you haven't responded to my email yet, please do so by 10/3 so I can get a good head-count of how many want to join us at our BT dinner outing while in San Antonio. Thanks
Jaime
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- Re: Binh Thuy Dinner at the 2017 Reunion -- Terry Sasek BT 68-69 LM#687, Mon, Sep 11 2017, 18:45:11 PDT (45-18-130-185.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net/45.18.130.185)
Re: Binh Thuy Dinner at the 2017 Reunion -- Paul Shave, Tue, Sep 12 2017, 18:28:48 PDT (75-173-13-32.albq.qwest.net/75.173.13.32)
- Re: Binh Thuy Dinner at the 2017 Reunion -- Junious B. Owens, Thu, Sep 14 2017, 14:01:37 PDT (c-75-67-107-229.hsd1.nh.comcast.net/75.67.107.229)
- Re: Binh Thuy Dinner at the 2017 Reunion -- Keith Young, Mon, Sep 18 2017, 19:51:57 PDT (pool-72-88-124-51.bflony.east.verizon.net/72.88.124.51)
- BX CLOSED -- Van and Joyce Digby, BX Managers, Fri, Sep 15 2017, 6:14:21 PDT (66-227-194-140.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com/66.227.194.140)
The BX is closed so it can be packed up to get ready for reunion. If orders coming in, will not be filled until after we get back home.
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- Another Happy Day at Binh Thuy -- Steven Hall, Mon, Sep 11 2017, 8:53:07 PDT (76-234-224-141.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net/76.234.224.141)
9/11/68 Another double happy day for the troops at Binh Thuy. LOL!
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- Howard & Ellen Yates! -- Terry Sasek BT 68-69 LM#687, Mon, Sep 11 2017, 0:38:42 PDT (45-18-130-185.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net/45.18.130.185)
Has anyone heard from Howard or Ellen Yates at all since this storm hit their area in Florida? If anyone hears from them can you post it on the board for us to know how they are doing. Thanks! Terry & Ellie Sasek BT 68-69 LM#687
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- Adult supervision -- Paul Shave, Mon, Sep 11 2017, 7:52:19 PDT (97-123-114-42.albq.qwest.net/97.123.114.42)
This year i will have adult supervision !!! the ones that i have been to and saw that Mom or Erlyce/Myron lost track of me often i hope that this year Suzanne will be there (hopefully if our pug is ok).....
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- Transportation: -- Junious B. Owens, Fri, Sep 08 2017, 5:45:03 PDT (c-75-67-107-229.hsd1.nh.comcast.net/75.67.107.229)
What type of transportation is available from the Airport to the Hotel. Does the Hotel provide transportation, is the city transportation or are we required to take a taxi from the Airport to the Hotel. If so, does anyone know the cost of a taxi. Bud Owens. Binh-Thuy, 66/67.
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- LM-289 Ronald Saville Passing -- Paul Shave, Fri, Sep 08 2017, 18:13:29 PDT (97-123-114-42.albq.qwest.net/97.123.114.42)
I have recieved the following concerning the passing of LM-289 Ron Saville. The VSPA passes along its condolences to his family.
Ronald Joseph Saville, 67, a Vietnam War Air Force veteran died on September 4, 2017 at his home in Fort Benton due to natural causes. Visitation will be Friday, September 8, 2017 from 7:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m. at Benton Funeral Home followed by his funeral Mass on Saturday, September 9, 2017 at 10:00 a.m. at Immaculate Conception Catholic Church. Burial will be at the Riverside Cemetery with full military honors. Please visit Ron’s online memorial page at www.bentonfuneralhome.com to leave a message of condolence for his family.
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- Newest Life Member William McCarver -- Paul Shave, Mon, Aug 28 2017, 10:52:22 PDT (174-28-96-228.albq.qwest.net/174.28.96.228)
Gentelmen, Please welcome our Newest Life Member William McCarver. He was a graduate of PR 67-68 and handled Duke.
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- TODAY IS OUR 43RD WEDDING ANNIVERSARY -- Terry Sasek BT 68-69 LM#687, Thu, Sep 07 2017, 7:34:36 PDT (45-18-130-185.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net/45.18.130.185)
Today Ellie & I will be celebrating our 43rd anniversary, I have always said that she was my Guardian Angel down here on Earth and has been on this journey with me side by side since the day I first met her at a friends house warming party celebrating their purchase of a brand new home. She worked as a nurses aide at the local hospital with my friends wife and her and several other nurses and nurses aides came over after they got off of the afternoon shift, I told her that night that I would marry her and they all laughed at my statement because she had a boyfriend already who was in the Navy over in the Mediterranean serving on a ship. Well it took me 3 months to convince her that it was a mistake to hook up with that guy since he hardly wrote to her and was very evasive about why he was ignoring her. It all came to a head one day when he called her and said he might visit her when he came home on leave that next month but she told him that she had met the man of her dreams and that she would not have anything more to do with him and did not want him to contact her anymore as she was starting over with me instead. That was great news for me and just before Christmas 1973 I proposed to her and she accepted in a second, we were married on September 7th 1974 and after 43 years of marriage to her we both say it was the best thing either of us ever did. She calls it a match made in Heaven and I will tell everyone that I am the luckiest man on Earth because of her and that very fast yes she had said then when I proposed to her. Two kids, and 4 grandchildren later, I am still the luckiest man on Earth. Terry Sasek BT 68-69 LM#687
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- Another Huge one on the way ! -- Sam Lewis, Thu, Sep 07 2017, 20:18:58 PDT (c-73-31-4-8.hsd1.va.comcast.net/73.31.4.8)
Possibly the biggest Storm still a Cat 5 that will mostly engulf the entire state of Florida is now bearing down on the Eastern Seaboard .Hector Ramos our VSPA Vice president who lives in Myrtle Beach ,SC who has had a great concern for others during Harvey and many of our other VSPA memebers could very well be in the path of this one before its over . .Theyre even saying it could wreck some havoc all the way up here where I live in SW Virginia .
Be prepared to open your hearts with prayer and your wallets with donations .This is going to be a big one ! sam
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- LM-948 Robert Anderson -- Paul Shave, Thu, Sep 07 2017, 18:09:19 PDT (97-123-114-42.albq.qwest.net/97.123.114.42)
Gentlemen, We have had another long time member step up to Life Membership, Robert Anderson who is one of those honor graduates of Bien Hoa from so many years ago !.
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- Poem -- Jackie R. Kays, Tue, Sep 05 2017, 18:47:37 PDT (NoHost/64.188.132.116)
Forgive and Forget?
As dark shadows move through the moonlit night,
Pop flares quickly glow, then dimly die out of sight.
Sounds of 105’s fill the hot jungle air.
For the nonbelievers, hell’s gates await,
dancing down the dirt road, guilty as sin,
yesterdays Refusers to go,
already know their hellish fate.
Away,away they fled to the four corners of God’s
green earth! Once the jungle war was over,
they all snuck Back!
You know, what they yelled!,“We won’t go!”
Fifty years have quickly passed,
now it’s time, they must atone for their
unforgivable sins!
Fifty-Eight thousand, plus died, while the
traitors danced with the devil!
Now tell me, that I’m to forgive and forget?
When? When the sun melts and hell freezes over!!
Jackie R. Kays © 2017
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- Sobriety and the Reunion in San Antone -- John Paul Coakley (Coakley), Tue, Sep 05 2017, 21:31:29 PDT (99-60-176-174.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net/99.60.176.174)
We are just a day less than a month away from Our reunion in San Antone . I am sorry, that personally, I won't be able to attend this year. I will be in the throws of moving from LA to Asheville NC . I know many of you are looking forward to Our Annual and Biggest Event of the year.For those of you attending your first Reunion or for those who have attended many reunions in the past, I just want everyone who is attending to know that if you have any sobriety concerns because of open bars and hospitality suites not to worry . We have had in VSPA for the past eleven years the "We take Care of Our Own " Group of Friends of Bill W. We have several members of the group with long term sobriety and we will be holding meetings in the Hotel during the course of the Reunion as well as attending meetings in the San Antonio Area. If you are new to Sobriety or if you've been sober for some time , you can take comfort in knowing that you have Sober VSPA Brothers who'll have your back . My experience is that you can attend Our Reunion and meet new friends as well as old ones and stay sober and have a great time .I will be making a later posting in a couple of weeks with contact information of our Sober Brothers who you can get in touch with at the reunion . Even though I won't be in San Antonio this year please don't hesitate to contact me anytime if you need a friendly sober ear . My phone # is (818) 749-1749 .My email is :johnpaul1845@gmail.com . Any time day or night ,I'm available .
All the Best and have a Great Reunion,
John Paul, LM396,Bien Hoa--Pleiku 65'-66'
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- UPDATE ON VSPA MEMBERS FROM CORPUS CHRISTI TO HOUSTON -- STEVE GATTIS, Sun, Sep 03 2017, 16:26:36 PDT (h25.70.20.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net/98.20.70.25)
Hello to all.
I have been on the phone talking to members and leaving messages for those I can't reach. So far, I have been able to verify the status of 17 members who are okay.
I have eight others from Houston to Corpus Christi that I left messages for and have not heard back from them. Another has an inoperative phone that rings with a dial tone that indicates trouble.
It has been a very long process but well worth it. Of those I talked to, they don't need anything. They are worn out though. The call to check on them did a world of good and they all thanked me and the VSPA profusely. If I hear anything, I will let you know. Thank you so much for your care and concern.
Regarding the donation process that I spoke of, we are still checking to see if there is anything specific to the Air Force and Security Forces that may NEED some help.
My best to you always.
Steve
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- Re: UPDATE ON VSPA MEMBERS FROM CORPUS CHRISTI TO HOUSTON -- Jackie R.kays, Mon, Sep 04 2017, 7:29:35 PDT (NoHost/64.188.132.116)
- Re: UPDATE ON VSPA MEMBERS FROM CORPUS CHRISTI TO HOUSTON -- Gary Walters, Mon, Sep 04 2017, 11:39:04 PDT (67-60-130-9.cpe.cableone.net/67.60.130.9)
- Re: UPDATE ON VSPA MEMBERS FROM CORPUS CHRISTI TO HOUSTON -- Terry Sasek BT 68-69 LM#687, Mon, Sep 04 2017, 15:50:07 PDT (45-18-130-185.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net/45.18.130.185)
- Re: UPDATE ON VSPA MEMBERS FROM CORPUS CHRISTI TO HOUSTON -- John Paul Coakley (Coakley), Tue, Sep 05 2017, 20:31:54 PDT (99-60-176-174.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net/99.60.176.174)
- Hurricane Relief Donation -- Jaime a Lleras Bing Thuy '79, Mon, Sep 04 2017, 17:25:08 PDT (61.sub-174-193-147.myvzw.com/174.193.147.61)
I proposed that the VSPA Executive Board approved a donation of $2,000 to $3,000 to a local organization that will d it distribute it to needy military families now and then take a collection effort at our reunion to recoup or add to the donation. Thus is what we're about - helping our ow, this time our military families.
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- Harvey and VSPA members in need -- Bruce Ross, Sun, Sep 03 2017, 11:45:57 PDT (135-158.207-68.elmore.res.rr.com/68.207.158.135)
Anyone knowing of a fellow VSPA member in immediate need of emergency help because of Hurricane Harvey? Steve mentioned keeping us informed, anyone else involved with specific information, you can contact me thru our organization. This being a public site and aware of security and scams, trying to be discrete. Bruce LM#174
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- New Life Member Calvin Herdman Jr. -- Paul Shave, Mon, Aug 28 2017, 11:01:43 PDT (174-28-96-228.albq.qwest.net/174.28.96.228)
Gentlemen, Please welcome the newest Life Member Calvin Herdman Jr. He currently lives in VA and was a graduate of TSN, and PR 67-70. He is LM #947 !!
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- VSPA Scholarship -- Jim (Buddha) Lebowitz, Fri, Sep 01 2017, 17:47:26 PDT (NoHost/216.115.228.44)
Just a reminder. I need the c paperwork for the VSPA Scholorship by 1 Oct 17 or sooner. If you need information/applications please e-mail me at jlz9107@earthlink.net
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- Fifty Counties in Texas impacted by H Harvey -- Hector Ramos (Hector Ramos), Mon, Aug 28 2017, 16:54:25 PDT (227.198-29-54-net.sccoast.net/198.29.54.227)
How about some thoughts & prayers for the folks suffering through this epic hurricane & lingering storm. Pre San Antonio reunión to address what we in VSPA can do to contribute in some way???? Prayers are not enough!
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- Re: Fifty Counties in Texas impacted by H Harvey -- Chaplain Jim,,Kennel Master, Mon, Aug 28 2017, 17:11:10 PDT (pool-71-163-152-228.washdc.east.verizon.net/71.163.152.228)
- Re: Fifty Counties in Texas impacted by H Harvey -- Gary Walters, Tue, Aug 29 2017, 12:12:27 PDT (67-60-130-9.cpe.cableone.net/67.60.130.9)
- Re: Fifty Counties in Texas impacted by H Harvey -- Ken de Russy (No Gods Needed), Tue, Aug 29 2017, 20:04:34 PDT (NoHost/172.92.243.161)
- Re: Fifty Counties in Texas impacted by H Harvey -- Bruce Ross, Fri, Sep 01 2017, 15:22:37 PDT (135-158.207-68.elmore.res.rr.com/68.207.158.135)
VSPA MEMBERS IMPACTED BY HURRICANE HARVEY -- Steve Gattis, Fri, Sep 01 2017, 15:26:19 PDT (h25.70.20.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net/98.20.70.25)
- Convoy of Hope -- Lew Goldberg, Wed, Aug 30 2017, 8:25:49 PDT (173-20-167-185.client.mchsi.com/173.20.167.185)
It really is time to put your prayers aside for a moment and get the wallet out. Convoy of Hope has put out 30 semi truck loads so far and that beats Red Cross doing something in a hurry. I live in Springfield Mo and see what CH does.
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- Arrrival at Binh Thuy '68 -- Steven Hall (Hall), Tue, Aug 22 2017, 9:04:59 PDT (76-234-224-141.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net/76.234.224.141)
Forty-nine years ago, this date, I arrived at Binh Thuy AB. In the early hours of the morning prior to my arrival, the base was mortared twice. A total of 57 rounds hit the base during those two attacks. When I deplaned, shrapnel was all over the tarmac and ground equipment was still smoldering. The aluminum maintenance sheds were perforated with thousands of large and small holes from previous mortar attacks. It was an eye-opening sight.
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- Re: Arrrival at Binh Thuy '68 -- Junious B. Owens, Tue, Aug 22 2017, 16:06:27 PDT (c-75-67-107-229.hsd1.nh.comcast.net/75.67.107.229)
- Re: Arrrival at Binh Thuy '68 -- Jaime A. Lleras - Binh Thuy, '70, Thu, Aug 24 2017, 13:29:12 PDT (cpe-172-74-241-19.sc.res.rr.com/172.74.241.19)
- Re: Arrrival at Binh Thuy '68 -- Paul Shave, Sat, Aug 26 2017, 14:58:33 PDT (174-28-118-228.albq.qwest.net/174.28.118.228)
- Scoti Goldberg -- Lew Goldberg, Fri, Aug 25 2017, 8:44:27 PDT (173-20-167-185.client.mchsi.com/173.20.167.185)
Scotti got out of rehab yesterday and now has rehab 3 days a week in home. She is walking with a stroller and is happy to be home.
Some good news my cancer is clear. I will have a checkup every 90 days and that is it.
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- Re: Scoti Goldberg -- Steven Hall, Fri, Aug 25 2017, 8:56:17 PDT (76-234-224-141.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net/76.234.224.141)
- Re: Scoti Goldberg -- Bob Mitchell LM301, Fri, Aug 25 2017, 10:34:08 PDT (ip68-109-31-28.ri.ri.cox.net/68.109.31.28)
- Re: Scoti Goldberg -- Steve & Lise Gattis, Fri, Aug 25 2017, 12:55:16 PDT (h48.68.141.67.dynamic.ip.windstream.net/67.141.68.48)
- Re: Scoti Goldberg -- Jackie R. kays, Fri, Aug 25 2017, 15:02:28 PDT (NoHost/64.188.132.116)
- Re: Scoti Goldberg -- mike thomas, Fri, Aug 25 2017, 18:08:56 PDT (cpe-174-102-199-74.wi.res.rr.com/174.102.199.74)
- Re: Scoti Goldberg -- Bruce Ross, Sat, Aug 26 2017, 13:35:35 PDT (135-158.207-68.elmore.res.rr.com/68.207.158.135)
- Re: Scoti Goldberg -- Van and Joyce Digby, Sat, Aug 26 2017, 14:15:54 PDT (66-227-194-140.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com/66.227.194.140)
- Re: Scoti Goldberg -- Chapalin Jim, Kennel Master, Sun, Aug 27 2017, 4:51:51 PDT (pool-71-163-152-228.washdc.east.verizon.net/71.163.152.228)
- Re: Scoti Goldberg -- Terry Sasek BT 68-69 LM#687, Sun, Aug 27 2017, 16:57:48 PDT (45-18-130-185.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net/45.18.130.185)
- Re: Scoti Goldberg -- Jaime A. Lleras - Binh Thuy, AB 1970, Tue, Aug 29 2017, 11:30:21 PDT (cpe-172-74-241-19.sc.res.rr.com/172.74.241.19)
- Sign of the times - poetry -- Hector Ramos, Sun, Aug 27 2017, 21:56:21 PDT (187.64-150-152-net.sccoast.net/64.150.152.187)
Blowin' in the Wind
Bob Dylan
How many roads must a man walk down
Before you call him a man?
Yes, 'n' how many seas must a white dove sail
Before she sleeps in the sand?
Yes, 'n' how many times must the cannon balls fly
Before they're forever banned?
The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind,
The answer is blowin' in the wind.
How many times must a man look up
Before he can see the sky?
Yes, 'n' how many ears must one man have
Before he can hear people cry?
Yes, 'n' how many deaths will it take till he knows
That too many people have died?
The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind,
The answer is blowin' in the wind.
How many years can a mountain exist
Before it's washed to the sea?
Yes, 'n' how many years can some people exist
Before they're allowed to be free?
Yes, 'n' how many times can a man turn his head,
Pretending he just doesn't see?
The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind,
The answer is blowin' in the wind
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- Newest Life Member Arthur (Michael) Severini -- Paul Shave, Mon, Aug 28 2017, 10:56:26 PDT (174-28-96-228.albq.qwest.net/174.28.96.228)
Gentelmen, Please welcome our Newest Life Member Arthur (Michael) Severini Jr.. He was a graduate of UT 72-73. So please welcome him HOME !!
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- New Member Charles Brunner -- paul Shave (thumbs up), Sat, Aug 26 2017, 15:03:46 PDT (174-28-118-228.albq.qwest.net/174.28.118.228)
Gentlemen,,,, Please welcome our newest VSPA member, Charles (Charley) Brunner. He is a graduate of KRT 68-70.
He handled two different K-9's while there enjoying the wonderful weather (Blackie & Shadow).
he currently lives in Ohio so welcome home Charles !!
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- Re: New Member Charles Brunner -- Bob Mitchell LM301, Sun, Aug 27 2017, 5:46:48 PDT (ip68-109-31-28.ri.ri.cox.net/68.109.31.28)
- Re: New Member Charles Brunner -- Buck Innerebner (innerebner), Mon, Aug 28 2017, 4:31:30 PDT (24-177-151-243.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com/24.177.151.243)
- Re: New Member Charles Brunner -- Chaplain Jim, Kennel Master, Mon, Aug 28 2017, 17:06:56 PDT (pool-71-163-152-228.washdc.east.verizon.net/71.163.152.228)
- Looking for a room to share at reunion -- Mikey Hilton, Fri, Aug 25 2017, 14:49:48 PDT (c-76-114-46-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net/76.114.46.161)
Hey guys, I got behind in planning and now I need a room at the hotel. I'm coming in on the 3rd. Does anyone want to share theirs with me?????PLEASE??? I'll buy you a drink(Opps I already started!)
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- Mike Thomas Prayers -- Frank Pilson LM-28, Thu, Jul 27 2017, 8:34:35 PDT (c-73-141-246-120.hsd1.pa.comcast.net/73.141.246.120)
I got called from Donna Thomas telling me, " hubby going in for heart sugary." on Friday.
I just talked to Donna and she in good spirits
Please keep them in our prayers.
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- Re: Mike Thomas Prayers -- Bob Mitchell LM301, Thu, Jul 27 2017, 9:13:37 PDT (ip68-109-31-28.ri.ri.cox.net/68.109.31.28)
- Re: Mike Thomas Prayers -- Lew Goldberg, Thu, Jul 27 2017, 11:02:29 PDT (173-20-167-185.client.mchsi.com/173.20.167.185)
- Re: Mike Thomas Prayers -- Steve & Lise Gattis, Thu, Jul 27 2017, 11:07:47 PDT (h212.99.17.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net/98.17.99.212)
- Re: Mike Thomas Prayers -- Terry Sasek BT 68-69 LM#687, Thu, Jul 27 2017, 17:06:41 PDT (45-18-130-185.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net/45.18.130.185)
- Re: Mike Thomas Prayers -- Van and Joyce Digby, Fri, Jul 28 2017, 6:43:47 PDT (66-227-194-140.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com/66.227.194.140)
- Re: Mike Thomas Prayers -- Gary Walters, Sat, Jul 29 2017, 9:13:42 PDT (67-60-31-55.cpe.cableone.net/67.60.31.55)
- 377th SPS at VSPA reunion -- Jack Smith, Sat, Aug 12 2017, 16:21:32 PDT (172-2-186-102.lightspeed.clmboh.sbcglobal.net/172.2.186.102)
Hey 377th SPS troops attending the reunion in Oct. I have a list of those that have contacted me letting me know that they are coming and if they want the new 377th SPS Challenge coin and bumper stick. IF YOU have not contacted me please do here or in a email. See you all there in Oct. Jack
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- REUNION HOTEL UPDATE -- Steve Gattis, Fri, Aug 11 2017, 16:30:11 PDT (h238.34.20.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net/98.20.34.238)
The Reunion BRAT just contacted me regarding our hotel for the reunion in San Antonio this coming October. We have sold out the rooms that were in our block. If you are going to the reunion and need a room, please contact the BRAT at the following number: 1-360-663-2521. She is making a priority list that will be used to fill behind cancellations for those who have changed their plans. IF YOU HAVE A ROOM RESERVED THAT YOU WILL NOT BE USING, PLEASE CONTACT THE BRAT AND RELEASE THE ROOM THROUGH HER SO THAT IT WILL GO TO ONE OF OUR VSPA MEMBERS WHO NEEDS A ROOM. She is also working with the sister hotel across the street to arrange overflow rooms. She also needs to talk with you if you want a room in the sister hotel across the street.
We initially blocked the same number of rooms that we had last year. We added more rooms and have booked all of those too. Remember, if you want to cancel a room, DO NOT contact the hotel. Call the Reunion BRAT so that she can give the room to one of our VSPA members who wants to attend the reunion.
Thanks. Steve
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- BEREAVEMENT NOTICE -- Steve Gattis, Fri, Aug 11 2017, 16:38:44 PDT (h238.34.20.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net/98.20.34.238)
I am very sad to report that Betty Fleming, the step-mother of Larry Fleming, passed away this morning. Larry and Martha are with his father who is 96. More information will follow. Funeral information is pending final arrangements.
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- Re: BEREAVEMENT NOTICE -- Terry Sasek BT 68-69 LM#687, Sat, Aug 12 2017, 7:31:49 PDT (45-18-130-185.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net/45.18.130.185)
- Re: BEREAVEMENT NOTICE -- Bob Mitchell LM301, Sun, Aug 13 2017, 6:12:28 PDT (ip68-109-31-28.ri.ri.cox.net/68.109.31.28)
- Re: BEREAVEMENT NOTICE -- Jaime A. Lleras - Binh Thuy, '70, Thu, Aug 24 2017, 13:37:15 PDT (cpe-172-74-241-19.sc.res.rr.com/172.74.241.19)
- Reunion coning up-BX shut down -- Van and Joyce Digby, BX Managers, Mon, Aug 21 2017, 6:52:21 PDT (66-227-194-140.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com/66.227.194.140)
On Sept 15 the BX will shut down to get packed up for the REUNION. No orders will be filled until after the reunion.
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- Graduation Ceremony -- Junious B. Owens, Thu, Aug 17 2017, 12:54:03 PDT (c-75-67-107-229.hsd1.nh.comcast.net/75.67.107.229)
The VSPA has been invited to attend the Graduation of the Security Forces on Tuesday, October 3. Are there any other members that plan on attending. I will be there and hope others will also. Just curious about transportation from the Hotel to the Ceremony. I will advise MSGT Saunders of my intentions later on and obtain info at to location of the ceremony. Junious B. Owens, Binh-Thuy, 66/67.
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- Re: Graduation Ceremony -- Jerry Nelson, Fri, Aug 18 2017, 8:22:40 PDT (mobile-166-137-125-019.mycingular.net/166.137.125.19)
- Re: Graduation Ceremony -- Lew Goldberg, Fri, Aug 18 2017, 11:36:38 PDT (173-20-167-185.client.mchsi.com/173.20.167.185)
- Re: Graduation Ceremony -- Chaplain Jim, Kennel Master, LM442, Fri, Aug 18 2017, 12:11:32 PDT (pool-71-163-152-228.washdc.east.verizon.net/71.163.152.228)
- Jimmy Kemp -- Carl Chamberlin LM#504 Phu Cat 67-68, Mon, Aug 14 2017, 11:23:44 PDT (70-126-181-201.res.bhn.net/70.126.181.201)
Does anyone have a photo of Jimmy Kemp. If so contact me and I will send you the info as to who would like it to post in the Wall Museum so there is a picture to match those names on the wall!!
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- Ubon handler passed away -- Jim Watson, Sat, Aug 12 2017, 17:10:03 PDT (cpe-107-185-130-76.socal.res.rr.com/107.185.130.76)
Herman 'Andy' Latham passed away today in Walnut Ridge Ar .Andy was part of the first twenty handlers and dogs that brought there dogs to start the first K-9 section at Ubon.Andy was originally from Peach Orchard Ar and served at Little Rock AFB before his tour at Ubon.Andy was a good man is the sixth handler out of the first twenty to leave us. I was fortunate to visit with him at the Shreveport VSPA reunion three years ago.Rest in Peace Andy I am sure you are enjoying your reunion with Klu and Mushy at the Rainbow Bridge.You will be missed.
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- Scotti Goldberg -- Steven Hall (Hall), Fri, Aug 11 2017, 8:50:40 PDT (76-234-224-141.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net/76.234.224.141)
Friday Morning (CA time)
I just spoke with Lew and Scotti Goldberg. For those not familiar with their situation, Scotti fell and broke her hip. Evidently, it is broken in a place where the doctors cannot put pins to help stabilize it so she will be in rehab for "a while", until she can move on her own. She is getting pain medication for her injury. Since Scotti will be in rehab for a while, their daughter will be going to Missouri to keep Lew in line. LOL! Please keep them both in your prayers.
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- Guardmount -- Chaplin Jim – Kennel Master, LM442, Fri, Aug 11 2017, 8:17:44 PDT (pool-71-163-152-228.washdc.east.verizon.net/71.163.152.228)
I concur with Gary. Outstanding edition of GUARDMOUNT.
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- Guardmount -- Gary Walters, Tue, Aug 08 2017, 10:01:37 PDT (67-60-31-55.cpe.cableone.net/67.60.31.55)
Thanks so much for the new guardmount issue. As always above and beyond.
I need prayer for my wife Mary Anne she has had to have another back surgery. A screw come loose on one of the plates in her back, we go for checkup today.I told her the other day I said you had a screw loose LOL.
Continued prayers would surely be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
I will probably be safe in saying no reunion this year.
I suggest we have the BB reunion always had fun doing that.
Off here and to get dressed and her dressed for appointment.
I appreciate the sisterhood for their prayers also.
Gary PR-BH-68-69
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- Re: Guardmount -- Bob Mitchell LM 301, Wed, Aug 09 2017, 8:22:07 PDT (ip68-109-31-28.ri.ri.cox.net/68.109.31.28)
- Re: Guardmount -- Steve & Lise Gattis, Wed, Aug 09 2017, 8:24:35 PDT (h238.34.20.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net/98.20.34.238)
- Re: Guardmount -- Terry Sasek BT 68-69 LM#687, Wed, Aug 09 2017, 22:19:19 PDT (45-18-130-185.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net/45.18.130.185)
- Re: Guardmount -- Gary Walters, Thu, Aug 10 2017, 12:19:12 PDT (67-60-31-55.cpe.cableone.net/67.60.31.55)
- Re: Guardmount -- Chaplin Jim – Kennel Master, LM442, Fri, Aug 11 2017, 8:12:27 PDT (pool-71-163-152-228.washdc.east.verizon.net/71.163.152.228)
- Vietnam Wall Wash -- Gary Jones, LM-363, Mon, Aug 07 2017, 5:19:23 PDT (cpe-172-75-49-67.carolina.res.rr.com/172.75.49.67)
If you live in/near or will be traveling to Washington, DC, on Aug 26th, you are invited and encouraged to join me to wash the Vietnam Veteran's Memorial (The Wall).
We will meet at 0630 by the Flag Pole (at the Three Servicemen Statue), but you might want to come a bit early to "socialize" and swap a few war stories. I promise you will be finished by 0800, so you can continue your day.
Unit Representatives are encouraged to plan to make this, or future washes, a group event. The Nha Trang Gang and Safeside have already participated as a group. It may be late to assemble your group this time but in 2018, we will again wash in the Spring and late summer (usually in Apr/May and again in Aug/Sep).
Gentlemen, this is one of the most humbling and rewarding events you will ever participate in.
Again, it will be at 0630, Saturday, Aug 26th. Free parking on Constitution Ave (park facing East, towards the Capitol, at 21st Street) or on Henry Bacon Drive, if coming from Arlington/Memorial Bridge).
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- Guardmount -- Gary Walters, Fri, Aug 04 2017, 10:21:21 PDT (67-60-31-55.cpe.cableone.net/67.60.31.55)
The only Guardmount showing on VSPA page is Fall 2016 How do I download new one?
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- Re: Guardmount -- Mike Kennedy, 3rd SPS Bien Hoa 69-70, LM #35, Fri, Aug 04 2017, 12:54:48 PDT (NoHost/47.152.48.17)
- Re: Guardmount: 2017 Summer Spring Edition is posted -- Don Poss, Sat, Aug 05 2017, 7:30:24 PDT (cpe-104-173-38-232.socal.res.rr.com/104.173.38.232)
- Re: Guardmount -- Gary Walters, Sun, Aug 06 2017, 8:01:01 PDT (67-60-31-55.cpe.cableone.net/67.60.31.55)
- Poem - Same-ol' Same=ol' -- Don Poss, Sat, Aug 05 2017, 6:40:31 PDT (cpe-104-173-38-232.socal.res.rr.com/104.173.38.232)
Same-ol’, Same-ol’
© 2017 by Don Poss
Today I awake with different aches,
Mother Nature won’t give me a break,
The Ol’ Bag don't seem to care...
I do my best at Standing Tall...
and Elder Abuse’s against The Law!
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- poem -- Jack Smith, Thu, Aug 03 2017, 15:28:06 PDT (172-2-186-102.lightspeed.clmboh.sbcglobal.net/172.2.186.102)
Wind of Time
Sailing on breezes so sweet and cool
The winds of youth blew strong
Sometime serous sometimes acting the fool
Unafraid to sing a different song
The winds changed as we aged
Growing harsher with each season
Turning in the wind like a book's page
Like the weather we know not the reason
Now the breezes are fast and cold
Bringing that chill of an aging sign
Oh how painful to grow so old
With the blowing winds of time
Edwin J Smith
The Old Cowboy Poet
Oct 15th 2008
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- The New Guardmount is here! -- Mike Kennedy, 3rd SPS Bien Hoa 69-70, LM #35, Tue, Aug 01 2017, 7:50:44 PDT (NoHost/47.152.48.17)
The New Guardmount is here! Hi, I am Mike Kennedy, the new Guardmount Editor. Steve Gattis has been properly relieved of his duties, but is just an email or phone call away as a valuable partner and resource.
I served with the 3rd SPS at Bien Hoa AB, May 69-70. Except for a single day when President Nixon went to Vietnam, I spent my entire tour working nights on the east perimeter, Bunker Hill 10, SAT, but mostly running the area QRT and driving an APC. After my time in the Air Force, I went on to spend another 35+ years in law enforcement and retired in 2010. Beside VSPA, I am also involved in VVA where I am the VP of my local chapter and also a district director for the VVA California State Council.
Guardmount has been a great publication that has been overseen by some great people in the past. I have some ideas for some new features, which I hope will continue the VSPA tradition. I hope you enjoy. If you have comments or would like to contribute something to future issues, please don’t hesitate to contact me. Don Poss will post the new issue to the VSPA website soon. It is available now on the VSPA Facebook page.
Finally, a thank you to Steve for your dedication, leadership and service with Guardmount. You did a great job and have set a high standard for me to live up to.
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- Re: The New Guardmount is here! -- Steve Gattis, Tue, Aug 01 2017, 10:36:42 PDT (h101.6.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net/98.18.6.101)
- Re: The New Guardmount is here! -- Lew Goldberg, Tue, Aug 01 2017, 12:22:36 PDT (173-20-167-185.client.mchsi.com/173.20.167.185)
- Re: The New Guardmount is here! -- Steve Rinaldo, Thu, Aug 03 2017, 4:07:00 PDT (162-235-196-216.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net/162.235.196.216)
- Re: The New Guardmount is here! -- Carl Essig, Thu, Aug 03 2017, 10:06:14 PDT (pool-96-245-42-18.phlapa.fios.verizon.net/96.245.42.18)
- LM-942 Odell Smith -- Paul Shave (happy), Sun, Jul 02 2017, 11:48:10 PDT (75-173-18-70.albq.qwest.net/75.173.18.70)
Gentlemen , We have hit Number 942 Life Member !! He is Odell Smith LtCol Af ret. He is a graduate of Bien Hoa 1966.
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- Re: LM-942 Odell Smith -- Bob Mitchell LM301, Sun, Jul 02 2017, 18:34:56 PDT (ip68-109-31-28.ri.ri.cox.net/68.109.31.28)
- Re: LM-942 Odell Smith -- Terry Sasek BT 68-69 LM#687, Sun, Jul 02 2017, 19:04:03 PDT (45-18-130-185.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net/45.18.130.185)
- Re: LM-942 Odell Smith -- Steve Gattis, Mon, Jul 03 2017, 9:10:08 PDT (h172.41.20.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net/98.20.41.172)
- Re: LM-942 Odell Smith -- Bruce Ross, Tue, Jul 04 2017, 8:00:28 PDT (135-158.207-68.elmore.res.rr.com/68.207.158.135)
- Re: LM-942 Odell Smith -- Jack Smith, Thu, Aug 03 2017, 6:49:55 PDT (172-2-186-102.lightspeed.clmboh.sbcglobal.net/172.2.186.102)
- Thailand SP Augmentee Roster -- Roger E. Davis (Urgent), Wed, Nov 23 2016, 17:18:11 PST (c-68-52-23-215.hsd1.tn.comcast.net/68.52.23.215)
I am in urgent need of proof of SP augmentee duty while serving at Nakhon Phanom, Thailand between April 1969 to May 1970. I have tried to access the roster on the NKP page but it will not let me log in.
I have a claim filed for AO but the VA cannot find the records for those who were assigned as augmentees. Does anyone know where the training records and/duty rosters are stored? I was with the 23rd TASS as a FAC crew chief. Any help would be greatly appreciated or how can I get access to the roster on the NKP page? The VA also said any verification that those in the 23rd TASS served as augmentees or even remember me would help. My case is now with the BOVA for review.
Sgt Roger E. Davis
Flying Crickets
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- Re: Thailand SP Augmentee Roster -- Howard Yates, Thu, Nov 24 2016, 6:10:04 PST (67-8-131-255.res.bhn.net/67.8.131.255)
- Re: Thailand SP Augmentee Roster -- Gary Jones, LM-363, Sun, Nov 27 2016, 5:22:05 PST (cpe-172-75-49-67.carolina.res.rr.com/172.75.49.67)
- Re: Thailand SP Augmentee Roster -- MSgt Fred Marvin, Mon, Jul 24 2017, 16:15:06 PDT (adsl-76-244-68-97.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net/76.244.68.97)
- Re: Thailand SP Augmentee Roster -- Steve Gattis, Mon, Jul 31 2017, 15:17:59 PDT (h101.6.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net/98.18.6.101)
- Taya Kyle -- John (Jackson NKP 69/70), Sat, Jul 29 2017, 21:14:02 PDT (c-66-235-45-121.npv.wa.customer.broadstripe.net/66.235.45.121)
Today I was on the security team for Tata Kyle (Chris Kyle's wife). She spoke at the Veterans Museum in Chehalis, WA. I gave her a VSPA Challenge Coin & a QC Pin from the Association. She was very happy & appreciative. She is a great woman...
John Jackson. LM149
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- Poem -- Jackie R. Kays, Thu, Jul 27 2017, 12:43:16 PDT (NoHost/64.188.132.116)
Fifty Years Later
Dark shadows move quickly across my mind, as an eerie mist rises from the jungle floor.
The faint sound of automatic fire erupts on my right flank, under the cover of a drifting pop flare’s dying glow.
Back,back, I go!!
I break out in a cold sweat, heartbeat pounding, adrenaline rush! The smell of jungle rot burns my nostrils.
There! Over there, beyond the wire, in the tall elephant grass, movement… black clad images emerge, one at a time.
Do I open fire, or stay concealed? My hands shake uncontrollably for a few seconds, while I decide on what action to take.
Four or five VC are advancing on my position! I began to tremble as I raise the weapon to my shoulder, just then, my wife
shakes me, and loudly says; “ Wake up! your’re dreaming again!
Fifty years ago, but the nightmares never stop!
Jackie R. kays
© 2017
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- Re: Poem -- Terry Sasek BT 68-69 LM#687, Thu, Jul 27 2017, 16:59:06 PDT (45-18-130-185.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net/45.18.130.185)
- Re: Poem -- Gary Walters, Sat, Jul 29 2017, 9:11:15 PDT (67-60-31-55.cpe.cableone.net/67.60.31.55)
- Re: Poem -- Steve Gattis, Sat, Jul 29 2017, 11:20:27 PDT (h48.160.91.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net/75.91.160.48)
- Re: Poem -- Don Poss, Sat, Jul 29 2017, 21:57:51 PDT (cpe-104-173-38-232.socal.res.rr.com/104.173.38.232)
- Re: Poem -- Gary Jones, LM-363, Sun, Jul 30 2017, 4:01:14 PDT (cpe-172-75-49-67.carolina.res.rr.com/172.75.49.67)
- Ubon RTAFB Sapper Attack -- Steven Hall (Hall), Fri, Jul 28 2017, 11:58:59 PDT (76-234-224-141.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net/76.234.224.141)
I noticed on the VSPA homepage that Ubon RTAFB experienced a sapper attack on July 28, 1969. I don't recall reading anything about that attack. Has anyone from Ubon who were directly involved in the attack written a personal account of that event? If so where can I read about it? Thanks.
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- A GREAT SOUTHERN GENTLEMAN HAS GONE HOME -- Terry Sasek BT 68-69 LM#687 (TRIBUTE POEM), Sat, Jul 15 2017, 4:42:35 PDT (45-18-130-185.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net/45.18.130.185)
He was a Southern Gentleman
He was funny as he could be
He was our own Alabama man
He had always checked on us
Making sure we were alright
He was our own Alabama man
He had his own way of talking
He kept saying it was English
He was our own Alabama man
I came to understand his comments
Like "It's jam up & jelly tight"
He was our own Alabama man
Although I was raised up in the north
I reminded him "it's Southern Michigan"
He was our own Alabama man
So rest now in peace my good friend
Some day we'll all meet once again
You will always be our Alabama man
And as you always used to say to us
"It's Jam up and jelly tight" my friend
You will never be forgotten by us Monk
You were certainly a real Southern Gentleman
A very good friend & a brother warrior too
You represented the South with great honor
© Terry Sasek BT 68-69 LM#687 - all rights reserved.
This poem is dedicated to a very special friend of mine,
a real Southern Gentleman named Ronald "Monk" Pope, he
was taken from us just 9 years ago when he died suddenly
from a massive heart attack while he was on vacation to
see his own family members out west in July of 2008.
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- Re: A GREAT SOUTHERN GENTLEMAN HAS GONE HOME -- Larry Gramps, Sat, Jul 15 2017, 6:40:49 PDT (dpc6744240008.direcpc.com/67.44.240.8)
- Re: A GREAT SOUTHERN GENTLEMAN HAS GONE HOME -- Bruce Ross, Sat, Jul 15 2017, 15:12:37 PDT (135-158.207-68.elmore.res.rr.com/68.207.158.135)
- Re: A GREAT SOUTHERN GENTLEMAN HAS GONE HOME -- Van and Joyce Digby, BX Managersv, Mon, Jul 17 2017, 6:41:22 PDT (66-227-194-140.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com/66.227.194.140)
- Re: A GREAT SOUTHERN GENTLEMAN HAS GONE HOME -- Gary Walters, Sat, Jul 29 2017, 9:20:12 PDT (67-60-31-55.cpe.cableone.net/67.60.31.55)
- Searching for Cat Rat -- Carl Chamberlin LM#504 Phu Cat 67-68 (Chamberlin), Sun, Jul 23 2017, 13:12:00 PDT (70-126-181-201.res.bhn.net/70.126.181.201)
Looking for one John Reed at Phu Cat 67 to 68. Think he was on Cobra Flight. Might hail from PA. Searching for a Brother Phu Cater who is in need as witness for a VA Claim
Thanks
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Re: Another Happy Day at Binh Thuy -- Paul Shave, Mon, Sep 11 2017, 18:21:44 PDT (75-173-13-32.albq.qwest.net/75.173.13.32)