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Date Posted: 08:41:46 02/04/00 Fri
Author: �Matt�
Subject: Re: Truth
In reply to: saint stephen 's message, "Truth" on 20:00:18 02/03/00 Thu

Truth has no levels; it exists equally throught existance. Perception can only pervert the truth through the mind. If you are lookingthrough your perception, which is the mind, then you cannot see truth; only your own projection of it. Mind must make a continuous projection of truth else it will become shaken, afraid, confused. If truth is not found, a projected truth will do. If one want to percieve truth, then they will remain at the periphery watching truth from a distance. Those who drop the perspective and realize that truth cannot be seen or touched in parts attain pure, unscathed awareness. That very awareness IS truth.

You have mastered your fears and pains? How can you master them? That is like sayingyou are mastering life itself. you cannot master life, because life is forever changing, forever diong things despite your will. When you master your fears and sufferings, you are saying that you have battled them, supressed them. That is mastery.

YOur fears are still there. You are still lonely: Without this web page and all the e-mails and chit chats, you will crumble and realize that the mastery was nothing but an illusion. You still fear death: If you have goals, a future, then how can you not fear death? Impossible. You still fear becoming a beggar on the street slowly dying from starvation. You still fear the loss of your loved ones. When a family member passes, you'll suffer inside. Your mastery must be an illusion, because nobody can master life.

However! One can reailze that they are life; truth. They can realize that their fears, their suffering and death are all illusions created out of attachement.

You say that "fear founds none of my beliefs", yet all beliefs are based out of fear. If you believe, you are saying "I do not know, but I have faith that it is so." Why beileve it is so? Either you know it or not. If you do not know it, then keep on giong until you know it. Don't say "I believe", because that shows the fear you have of not having a conclusion to attach yourself to.

Have you also mastered your happiness and desires? Do you still run from suffering and into happiness? Do you run from loneliness and into the verious means of communication?
How about you and I save up $10,000 each. We rent a quiet studio where neither of us do anything all day but sit there for at least 1 year. No TV, phone, internet. All we got is food to eat, water, a bath/toilet, and refridgerator. And we will live in that studio as if neither of us existed. Nobody else aws allowed inside. No books to read. No paper to write on; nothing. Just sitting and BEING. Can you do such a thing? Can you forget your dreams, desires, this web page and everything for at east 1 year? Or are you still attached to these things?

Whatsoever you are attached to, wheather it be pleasure or truth, then know that these things have mastery over you, not vice versa. You are not free of these things. And you say suffering and fear fertilize your spirit. HOw so? What about happiness and desires? Do they not also fuel the fire?
You are still holding a two sidded coin claiming to have only a one sidded coin.

And you will take offense to this message, because you are attached to your idea of truth and when someone comes and says "NO, your truth is a projection" then you become defensive and anger rises. It has happened many times before between you and I. This is because you are attached to your idea of truth and when one says "no, you are wrong" then that idea begins to shake a little and you grow angry because it's not supposed to shake! It's not supposed to be contested in such a manner. I is OK if one was to say "your truth suck!", because then they are operating ou of emotional ignorance, but when one posts a serious post that dives deeper than your own understanding, then the realization that you could be wrong, living in an illusion, a self molded prison where you remain safe, dawns upon you.

Your truth is a perception, a belief. YOu said it yourself. Isn't it time you became truth? To be aware to truth you must be ready to die to the past with every passing moment. You must be intamate with the present. You must not have any desire to change WHAT IS. You must accept everything that comes your way and love it. "Must" is the wrong word. The action comes through understansding.

> Truth is not perspective, but from different
> persectives you see different shards and levels of the
> truth...many things are the truth, for the truth is
> indeed infinite and boundless. Fear founds none of my
> beliefs...does that scare you? I have mastered my
> fears, and my pain, and now they are merely spiritual
> fertilizer or fossil fuel, take your pick of metaphors
> man!
>
> -ss

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My coments are dispersed throughout -- ss, 13:43:56 02/04/00 Fri
- OK -- The Smashing Machine, 17:18:27 02/04/00 Fri
  - Ok, but I think we should include some thoughts on truth, just so it does not get cynical either...so lets offer some truths and not truths, just parts, and work upon what we agree on, so we can confront disagreement more civily latter. -- saint stephen, 19:55:31 02/04/00 Fri
    - Hehehe. New message head! -- �Matt�, 03:52:50 02/05/00 Sat
      - Building a progressive build to the Future; true and false self -- saint stephen, 08:37:47 02/05/00 Sat
        Re: Building a progressive build to the Future; true and false self -- Beast below, 09:18:24 02/12/02 Tue
- Re: My coments are dispersed throughout -- Eldest Oyster, 21:46:59 02/05/00 Sat
  - Re: My coments are dispersed throughout -- saint stephen, 00:25:08 02/06/00 Sun
    - Re: My coments are dispersed throughout -- Buddah Head, 07:39:16 02/10/00 Thu
      - Re: My coments are dispersed throughout -- saint stephen, 08:50:24 02/10/00 Thu
        Re: My coments are dispersed throughout -- Buddah Head, 11:59:52 02/10/00 Thu
        Re: My coments are dispersed throughout -- saint stephen, 18:49:09 02/10/00 Thu
        Re: My coments are dispersed throughout -- Buddah Head, 08:23:02 02/11/00 Fri
        Re: My coments are dispersed throughout -- saint stephen, 12:44:28 02/11/00 Fri